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Topic: The modern Turkish military
Posted By: Hellios
Subject: The modern Turkish military
Date Posted: 23-Jan-2007 at 20:48
Discuss the Turkish military.
Most of this stuff is made in Turkey.
 
FNSS ACV:
 
 
 
 
 
FNSS Pars:
 
 
CN-235:
 
A-400M (Turkey has ordered 11 and is helping develop them):
 
 
Artillery (need name):
 
 
SAT commandos passing a frigate:
 
Otokar Yavuz:
 
Otokar Cobra:
 
F-16:
 
C-130:
 
F-5:
 
EC-725:
 
MLRS:
 
Kale-Kalip Agony rifle:
 
UH-60:
 
SAT commandos:



Replies:
Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 00:48
Batu, a few more for you...
 
SAT:
 
Meko-200 class frigate:
 
F-16:
 
SAT:
 
 
PAC-2:
 
F-16:
 
Airborne tanker:
 
Leopard 1 class MBT:
 
I'd like to know what these units are:


Posted By: perikles
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 03:17
A small contibution by me.
Super Cobra. This is a chopper that Turkey manufactures.
 


Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 05:20
When I was in The United States, I met an American General in the US Airforce during an America-wide geography conference. He told me that had had worked in Turkey for NATO. when I asked how he found the Turkish pilots, he told me that they were the best and got the heighest points in the games. This made me feel safeSmile


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Posted By: Antioxos
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 05:31
Originally posted by TheDiplomat TheDiplomat wrote:

When I was in The United States, I met an American General in the US Airforce during an America-wide geography conference. He told me that had had worked in Turkey for NATO. when I asked how he found the Turkish pilots, he told me that they were the best and got the heighest points in the games. This made me feel safeSmile 
 
The good customer (Greece & Turkey) has always rightWink.


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 07:11
Just imagine if this money would be invested in national health, education/research, public infrastructure etc instead in useless heaps of metal!!!
 
Angry


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Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 24-Jan-2007 at 17:46
Maroon Berets( Turkish Special Forces )
they have been winning the special  forces competetion for last two years.they served in Afghanistan without a loss.they arrested(kidnapped:) Abdullah Ocalan from Kenya and nowadays they are kicking the terrorists in South eastern Turkish mountains


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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2007 at 22:54
Oerlikon-Contraves 25mm Sea Zenith pictures (ill find stats later).
 


Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 07:05
Here is a great archive:

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/showgallery.php/cat/73


Posted By: konstantinius
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 10:11
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

geez, im hardly keeping up with Greek thread, but would love to post in this too...
 
you will notices many of the key platforms in both Greece and Turkey are very similar. Planes, frigates, tanks and the such. Our mutual paranoia is worth bucket loads for the west.......
 
$$$$$ + "last word" in politics of two countries since military dependence leads to political cowardess.
The politics of the Empire in the M.East + Greek messes of the past + militarism of the military-economic complex in Turkey = tension in the Aegean.

Are the SAT the Turkish special forces?


Posted By: Batu
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 16:02
SAT : underwater assault team, a kind of special forces,their main duty is on the seas,sabotage,etc.they were the first ones on Kardak island.

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Posted By: Neoptolemos
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2007 at 16:56
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

PAC-2:
 
 

Turkey has patriot??


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2007 at 06:23
^ as far as i know they don't.

Patriots were deployed in turkey by other NATO forces during the Iraqi invasion. (from Germany and/or Netherlands i think)

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Posted By: Kerimoglu
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2007 at 06:47
They built two air defence stations in Azerbaijan two, we have PAC's in the border with Iran and Armenia

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 03:48
Turkish Special Forces:
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 04:01
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

 
 
Another view of the mortar version.  Interesting unit.
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 04:03
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 05:07
Originally posted by Kerimoglu Kerimoglu wrote:

They built two air defence stations in Azerbaijan two, we have PAC's in the border with Iran and Armenia
 
as far as i know turkey hasny bought any systems yet, so any PAC system in turkey is a NATO sytem on loan.

my Italics

18/1/2007 -
http://www.raytheon.com/feature/pat0107/ - Raytheon
"They added that Turkey and South Korea represent two potential new markets for the anti-missile system."

customers so far recognized by
http://www.raytheon.com/products/patriot/ - Raytheon
"Patriot's lower-tier air defense against tactical ballistic missiles is part of a two-tier U.S. defense against this escalating threat. Internationally, the Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Taiwan, and Greece field the system"

But as rathyeon expect Turkey is looking at them hard!

5/1/2007: "Lockheed Martin, the world's largest arms manufacturer, has had preliminary talks for a potential sale to Turkey of its Patriot Advanced Capability-3, (PAC-3) ballistic missile defense systems and is now waiting for
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=63155# - - Ankara's next move on the nation's air defense program, worth $1 billion, the company said on Wednesday."
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=63155 - turkishdailynews


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 09:07
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

CN-235:
 
 
More CN-235 below, many more...
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 23:24
Various...
 
Leopard 1 series MBT:
 
P-333 Tufan assault craft:


Posted By: perikles
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 10:49
does the Turkish army has leopard II?
 


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Posted By: Kerimoglu
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2007 at 11:39
Dont know, they have Israeil sabra and merkavas, as far as I know. Those patriots are from US, in Azerbaijan, not from Turkey.

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 07:35
^ does turkey actually have mekavas? ive never heard about that deal

There was issues with the isreali M60 'sabra' upgrades, i dont think turkey is upgrading the whole fleet.

Originally posted by perikles perikles wrote:

does the Turkish army has leopard II?
 
yes. they bought some 298 second hand Leopard A4's. i suspect out of necessity, because Greece was  already starting to build its own fleet. Both countries have rather old tanks so even second hand leopard 2's would of simply dominated the others.

turkey is looking beyond the leopard for something more long term than a few hundred ex- European tanks.


Posted By: xristar
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:18
I don't think that Turkey has Merkavas.
And about the Sabra, I think Turkey is upgrading about 170 M60s out of about 700.
Turkey has a plan of building (in Turkey) 1000 modern tanks. They were close to agreement with France for the Leclerc, but I don't know what happened in the end.


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Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 15:59
The Turkish defense industry as a partner of the F-35 JOINT STRIKE FIGHTER project:
 
 
Edit: image re-sized.


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 18:38
I read Turkey & Israel are jointly developing a new tank called the Sabra but I have no other info on the project and only some photos which I have not been able to authenticate.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 19:25
That's right Hidden Face, Turkey is part of the F-35 JSF program.
 
Article about Turkey joining: http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/news/102.html - http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/news/102.html
 
F-35 photos & info...
 
 
 
 
 
Internal missile/bomb bay:
 
Internal weapons:
 
External weapons:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 02:23
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

P-333 Tufan assault craft:
 
 
This neat little assault craft seems to have a certain degree of stealth (radar signature reduction) in the design.
 
Here are some schematics of the Kilic-2 class assault craft...
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 07:57
Originally posted by xristar xristar wrote:

I don't think that Turkey has Merkavas.
And about the Sabra, I think Turkey is upgrading about 170 M60s out of about 700.
Turkey has a plan of building (in Turkey) 1000 modern tanks. They were close to agreement with France for the Leclerc, but I don't know what happened in the end.
 
I highly doubt the french can currently sell to the turks. There was a freeze in military relations last year (don't know if its changed), but i'll assume the chances are much smaller than before.

The Korean http://www.army-technology.com/projects/k1/ - KA/A1 tank has been touted as a potential design.

The http://www.army-technology.com/projects/sabra/index.html - Sabra is a hell of allot better than the M60 but it isn't on the level to the newer designs. I think the cost were too high to upgrade the whole fleet, Janes reported 1 billion for the whole M60 fleet in Feb 2000. Since Turkey has a massive fleet of rather old tanks (M48), modernization is going to be very expensive and take some time.


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 08:09
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

I read Turkey & Israel are jointly developing a new tank called the Sabra but I have no other info on the project and only some photos which I have not been able to authenticate.
 
 
 
^thats the Sabra I, this the Sabra II:


cant find the turkish sabra III yet.
all those pictures (info) come from this
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/index.html - site i believe (FAS, Global security and wiki use it as a source)

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/sabra/Sabra.html - Sabra I
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/sabra/Sabra2.htm - Sabra II


Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2007 at 10:08
Originally posted by Yiannis Yiannis wrote:

Just imagine if this money would be invested in national health, education/research, public infrastructure etc instead in useless heaps of metal!!!
 
Angry


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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 14:13
Some more Turkish military photos...
 
Army commandos:
 
SAT commando with MG:
 
Marine:
 
Lebanon during the last conflict:
 
F-16:
 
Infantry with Stinger AA:
 
Somebody photoshopped an aircraft carrier into this photo, lol:
 
F-491 Giresun & F-103 Blas de Lezo (info needed):


Posted By: last_janissary
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 16:45
documentary film parts of "Kan Uykusu" , which have videos of Trkish armys operation in North Iraq and real commenders tell these operations...
 
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kan+uykusu&search=Search - http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kan+uykusu&search=Search
 


Posted By: last_janissary
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 02:06
Dakika 000 - 010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7manYK8mWE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7manYK8mWE
Dakika 010 - 020: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7d9zz7zoE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7d9zz7zoE
Dakika 020 - 030: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhbqdMTR-mw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhbqdMTR-mw
Dakika 030 - 040: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3tuw6aCqGQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3tuw6aCqGQ
Dakika 040 - 050: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx_mdpWm9A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx_mdpWm9A
Dakika 050 - 060: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5eXC9yjAA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5eXC9yjAA
Dakika 060 - 070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3Vj3O8fGo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh3Vj3O8fGo
Dakika 070 - 080: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF6HCSraB04 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF6HCSraB04
Dakika 080 - 090: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM7PepMokRw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM7PepMokRw
Dakika 090 - 100: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8B2aXByuUo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8B2aXByuUo
Dakika 100 - 110: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRuOjqQNiE - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRuOjqQNiE
Dakika 110 - 115: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QKlN1G73H0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QKlN1G73H0
 
Edit: links made 'clickable'.


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 18:13
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Otokar Cobra:
 
 
Otokar Cobra sensors version:
 
Otokar Cobra IFV version:


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 19:04
Peace Eagle AWACS.
They're being worked on in Turkey at Boeing's facility.
There will be 4 ready by 2008.
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 19:14


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 22:05
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Airborne tanker:
 
 
Another air tanker photo:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 22:08
Support ship:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 22:32
Turk Yildizlari:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 22:53
Turkish army mobile base system.
 
Functional base deployable within hours:
 
Cafeteria:
 
Tactical room:
 
Communications room:
 
Turkish girl:
 
Briefing room:
 
Hospital unit:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 07-Feb-2007 at 23:00
Anti-terrorist forces:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 23:05
Type-209 submarines.
 
 
   
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 20:29
Turkish U-209:
 
 
Source: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/turkey-gets-responses-re-sub-program-delays-other-rfps/index.php - http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/10/turkey-gets-responses-re-sub-program-delays-other-rfps/index.php
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 20:39
Turkey is now opening up a competition for brand new subs at the level of the 214 which is actually in the running, along with DCN and something from kockums
 
Quote Source: Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries; issued Dec. 28, 2006

Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) of Ministry of National Defense of the Republic of Turkey has issued Request for Proposal for acquisition of six air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines for the New Type Submarine Project.  

The Request for Proposal for acquisition of six new type submarines can be purchased from SSM by an authorized person delegated by the company (original authorization letter stating the person by name appointed and assigned to get the RFP shall be submitted).  

Fee of the RFP is 10.000 (ten thousand) Euros. This fee shall be deposited to the account of Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) at Central Bank of The Republic of Turkey-Ankara (Trkiye Cumhuriyeti Merkez Bankas?-Ankara/TRK_YE) 952 732 001 SSDF EURO Account (Fee For New Type Submarine Project Request for Proposal for the acquisition of Six New Type Submarines statement shall be written on the receipt and this receipt shall also be submitted to SSM)  

Request For Proposal can be obtained until 31st of January 2007, 17:00 by local time. 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2007 at 21:07
F-35 (soon).
 
Notice the Turkish & Canadian flags next to each other. Thumbs%20Up
 


Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2007 at 21:27

F 35 is my favorite definately. It looks wonderful.



Posted By: SearchAndDestroy
Date Posted: 21-Feb-2007 at 22:45
Looks wise I'm kind of glad it won over Boeing's X-32. About 5 or so years ago they were showing the US militaires trials on picking either this craft or Boeing's. I remember Boeing went through a few problems, which is why the US Brass chose this one.

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Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 01:54
Man, that's a lot of F-16:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 01:57
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Otokar Cobra:
  
 
Otokar Cobra:
 
Production photos:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra28po.jpg - http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra28po.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra1yy.jpg - http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra1yy.jpg


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 02:01
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

UH-60:
 
 
Below is the navy version.
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 02:55
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Man, that's a lot of F-16:
 
Apparently turkey is the third largest user of the f-16 after the US and isreal.
Did you get that photo from f-16.net?


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 03:14
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

Did you get that photo from f-16.net?
 
No, I got it from irandefence.net.
 
Below are Turkish forces in Afghanistan...
 
 
 
 
 
Below are Turkish forces in other places like Lebanon, etc.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 02:10
Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

Apparently turkey is the third largest user of the f-16 after the US and isreal. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 02:23
Turkish F-16 bombs & missiles...
 
Laser-guided bombs:
 
Various missiles:


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 26-Feb-2007 at 21:57
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

F-35 (soon).
 
Notice the Turkish & Canadian flags next to each other. Thumbs%20Up
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 07:07
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Turkish F-16 bombs & missiles...
 
Various missiles:
 
Here is a major one that Greece hasn't got, unlike most other systems.
This very worthy of more attention and a very big powerful thing. Ouch

Quote AGM-142 Raptor
Popeye I Have Nap
Popeye II Have Lite
 
"Turkey initially bought 50 Popeye I missiles for its fleet of F-4s being upgraded at Israel Aircraft Industries. At least 40 Popeye I missiles were delivered to Turkey in 1997 with a second batch of 60 shipped in 1998. In May 1997 Israel and Turkey agreed to jointly produce the Popeye II air-to-ground missile in a deal initially worth about $100 million dollars. The new deal involved a consortium to be established between two Turkish firms and Rafael to jointly produce the Popeye II, a smaller missile with more advanced technology. The Popeye II, also known as the Have Lite, is designed for deployment on fighter aircraft and has a range of 150 kilometers. The Popeye II missiles were expected to be delivered beginning in 2000. The overall Popeye-I and Popeye-II missiles program with Turkey was valued at some $500 million." http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-142.htm - FAS  

Popeye I
 
Category
Air-to-Surface
Manufacturer
Rafael Armaments 
City
Haifa, Israel 
Length
480 cm
Span
200 cm
Body
52 cm
Weight
1380 kg
Guidance
Rafael 
Guidance Type
IIR/TV/Data link/INS 
Model
spr. 
Range
110+ km 
Status
Operational in Israel 1985, operational on USAF B-52s 1989. 



Popeye II
 
The so called 'light' version, check out its size with a f-16 for comparison.
A bit better range, more up to date technology, but smaller so these type of aircraft can launch them.



 
http://www.israeli-weapons.com - www.israeli-weapons.com > Popeye_Lite
http://www.israeli-weapons.com - www.israeli-weapons.com  > Popeye


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 18:12
Leonidas,
 
This towed artilley (below) is also excellent.
 
 
Made in Turkey.
 
 
Their self-propelled artillery (Firtina 155) is also excellent.
PzH 2000 is better but Firtina 155 is among the best & it's made in Turkey.
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 19:11
Various Turkish Special Forces...
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 19:27
Anti-terrorist forces, I think...
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 19:37
Hi.
 
Turkish military providing assistance in various countries...
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 19:45
2 more TuAF F-16 photos...
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 22:02
Various Turkish-made combat systems for vehicles...
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 22:13
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

 
 
Some troops in above photo are using the assault rifle shown below.
I'm not sure what it is.  Looks fine.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 23:33
Batu,
 
The Turkish UAV: 
 
Joking of course. Wink
The real Turkish UAV is very good - it's called the Turna.  Made in Turkey.
 
Turna UAV:


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 23:41
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

This neat little assault craft seems to have a certain degree of stealth (radar signature reduction) in the design.
 
 
 
Below is a nice photo of the above-mentioned assault craft.
 
 
Below are Turkish navy commandos.
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 23:52
Istanbul Victory Day photos...
 
F-16:
 
UH-60:
 
FNSS ACV:


Posted By: The Hidden Face
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 00:42

Very good pictures Thumbs%20Up



Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 02:59
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Their self-propelled artillery (Firtina 155) is also excellent.
PzH 2000 is better but Firtina 155 is among the best & it's made in Turkey.
 
Their self-propelled is much better than all those US hand-me-downs we both seem to collect. Yeah not as good as the PzH 2000 which AFIAK is the best on the market, but a very appropriate weapon that comes very close.
 
 
The Firtina is a Turkish built variant on the Korean K9.
 
Korean K9:
 
Firtina 155:


"The new K9 howitzer, South Korean designed and developed, will give the Republic of Korea Army a significant improvement in capability over the current M109A2. With a claimed a range of 40 km, it offers greater mobility, longer range and higher rate of fire, and increased battlefield survivability as it can quickly be brought into action, open fire and come out of action. It is, therefore, less likely to be engaged by counterbattery fire. K9 is an indegenous system of an all-welded steel armour contruction which is rated to withstand impact by 14.5mm armour piercing shells and 152mm shell fragments. The main armament consists of a 155mm/52 caliber ordnance with a maximum firing range of 40km. State-of-the-art mobility subsystems include a 1,000 horsepower engine with potential for growth and hydropneumatic suspension unit."
 

"After receiving a fire command, the K9 thunder is able to fire on a target within 30 seconds at emplacement and within 60 seconds from movement. Even though TOT (time on target) firing may be accomplished by several howitzers simultaneously, the K9 thunder is able to more efficiently accomplish the same task by simply changing its fire data. The K9 thunder alone can produce three times as much as the M109A2 155mm SPH in firing capability."
 
Even better these guys have a table for comparison Thumbs%20Up, interesting how much better it is over a pretty new version of the M109 (which its replacing in both korea and i would guess in turkey).
 

ROK
K-9
USA
M109A6
Germany
PZH 2000
Maximum range 40 km 30 km 40 km
Rate of fire (maximum) 6 shots / minute 4 shots / minute 8 shots / minute
Ammunition load 48 shots 39 shots 60 shots
Fire control method Automatic movement / manual operation Manual operation Automatic movement / manual operation
Crew 5 people 6 people 5 people
Gun barrel caliber 52cal 39cal 52cal
Battle weight (ton) 47 32 55
Maximum speed (km/h) 66 56 60
Operational 1999 1992 1988
 
Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/k9.htm - globalsecurity


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 06:49
Killer post Leonidas.


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 06:51
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Killer post Leonidas.
 
only with those additional pictures, thanks


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 07:00
Snipers...
 
With Kale Kalip rifle:
 
With standard assault rifles:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 21:40
2 more sub photos...
 
S-356 TCG Anafartalar:
Source: http://www.milint.com/details.php?image_id=2883 - http://www.milint.com/details.php?image_id=2883
 
S-357 TCG Guer:
Source: http://www.milint.com/details.php?image_id=2889 - http://www.milint.com/details.php?image_id=2889


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 28-Feb-2007 at 22:46
Commandos...
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2007 at 01:37
Originally posted by The Hidden Face The Hidden Face wrote:

Very good pictures Thumbs%20Up 
 
Thanks.
 


Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2007 at 03:10
Well,i must note that the M109 is not actually a modern weapon.It was developed 2 decades ago,so it's more than natural for superior self-propelled howitzers to exist in 2007.


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2007 at 03:57
This post is on another Israeli system that turkey has in service, like the Popeye its something that can challenge air defenses.

HARPY

what is it ?
Harpy is a "Fire-and-Forget" all-weather, day/night autonomous weapon system, launched from a ground vehicle behind the battle zone or from ship based launchers, designed to detect, attack and destroy radar emitters. 1
The Harpy is a delta-winged machine with finlets on the wingtips. It weighs 135 kilograms  and is 2.7 meters (8 feet 10 inches) long with a span of 2.1 meters (6 feet 10 inches.    It is powered by a UAV Engines Limited (UEL) AR731 rotary engine, with 28 kW (37 HP), driving a pusher propeller. Maximum speed is roughly 185 KPH (115 MPH / 100 knots), and endurance is about six hours with range of 500 km. It is sealed in its sealed launcher/container, to endure harsh battlefield conditions. It can be fueled or defueled in the launcher, therefore retaining its readiness at all time. The system uses periodical built-in test to maintain full readiness. 1, 2



How it works..
"The Harpy mission is planned and programmed in the battery ground control center, as an independent mission, or planned in accordance with other manned or unmanned systems. The drone flies autonomously enroute to its patrol area its radar seeker head constantly search for hostile radars. Once suspicious radar is acquired, Harpy compares the signal to the library of hostile emitters, and prioritizes the threat. If the target is verified, the drone enters an attack mode, as it transitions into a near vertical dive, homing on the signal. The drone is set to detonate its warhead just above the target, to generate the highest damage to the antennae, and surrounding facilities. If the radar is turned off before Harpy strikes, the drone can abort the attack and continue loitering. If no radar was spotted during the mission, the drone is programmed to self destruct over a designated area. Follow-on systems which are already proposed to foreign clients, are calling for a combination of seeker and killer drones that will enable visual identification and attack of targets even after they turn off their emitters." 1



and turkey?

"In a deal dating back to 1999, the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have taken delivery of a number on Harpy lethal unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) from Israel Aircraft Industries Ltd. (IAI). The exact number is unknown, but reports suggest that more than 100 lethal UAVs were delivered. "1, 3



1 http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/harpy/HARPY.html - www.israeli-weapons.com >> HARPY
2 http://www.vectorsite.net/twuav_10.html#m3 - www.vectorsite.net
3 http://www.defense-update.com/news/harpy-turkey.htm - www.defense-update.com/news/harpy-turkey.htm


Posted By: perikles
Date Posted: 01-Mar-2007 at 07:08
the HARPY made Turks HAPPY!!!!
awsome weapon!!!!


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 00:19
This looks like a Turkish-made CN-235 but I'm not sure:
 
 


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 00:51
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

This looks like a Turkish-made CN-235 but I'm not sure:
 
 
 
turkey has 20 of these mainly franco-german planes.
 
Specifications (Transall C-160D)
 

General characteristics

Crew: five - two pilots, navigator, flight engineer, tactics officer

Capacity: cargo or up to 80 troops

Payload: 16,000 kg (32,300 lb)

Length: 32.40 m (106 ft 4 in)

Wingspan: 40.00 m (131 ft 3 in)

Height: 12.36 m (38 ft 3 in)

Wing area: 160 m (1,721 ft)

Empty weight: 30,000 kg (62,700 lb)

Loaded weight: 46,000 kg (103,400 lb)

Max takeoff weight: 49,150 kg (112,200 lb)

Powerplant: 2 Rolls-Royce Tyne 22 turboprops, 4,225 kW (5,565 hp [1]) each

Role Transport, cargo (93 equipped troops, tactical vehicles), airdrop, EW, surveillance, airborne command 

 
Performance

Maximum speed: 513 km/h (319 mph)

Range: 1,850 km (1,150 miles)

Service ceiling: 8,230 m (30,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 6.67 m/s (1,312 ft/min)

Wing loading: 294 kg/m (60 lb/ft)

Power/mass: 180 W/kg (0.11 hp/lb)

 
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/c-160.htm - source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transall - source2


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 04:44
Good post Leonidas.  I mistook it for a CN-235.
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 04:44
Mountain troopers.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 05:02
EC-725 doing a surveillance maneuver.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 07:16
Kaan-20.
 
Kaan-20 is a class of patrol craft used by the Coast Guard.
 
 
Not military spec but fast & high tech with decent sensors to detect trouble & report it.
Designed & built in Turkey.
 


Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 02-Mar-2007 at 21:34
You guys have contacts with the intelligence services?LOL
 
You are posting pics of Turkish weapons or military vehicles anybody here haven't at all heard of...Nice thread...I hoped I could have contributed as well...But I've kinda' left watching military weaponry we have as I know it can't be a match for what United States is producing.


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We gave up your happiness
Your hope would be enough;
we couldn't find neither;
we made up sorrows for ourselves;
we couldn't be consoled;

A Strange Orhan Veli


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 02:18
Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

...Nice thread...
 
Thanks Kapi. Smile  Here, I hope you like this photo...
 
Turkey's chief Gen. Yasar Buyukanit lays a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Athens, Thu Nov-2 2006:
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 02:45
Below is a Turkish air defence system.
Not sure about the name.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 02:49
Firtina:
 
 
Turna UAV:
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 03:10
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Otokar Cobra:
 
Production photos:
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra28po.jpg - http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra28po.jpg
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra1yy.jpg - http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/Pasdaran/cobra1yy.jpg  
 
More Otokar Cobra info & photos:
 
 
Info: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cobra/ - http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cobra/
 
 


Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 03:16
That thing is damn fine.
Wouldn't mind one of them as my first car-boat. Cool



Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 06:15
Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

You guys have contacts with the intelligence services? LOL
You are posting pics of Turkish weapons or military vehicles anybody here haven't at all heard of...Nice thread...
 
you got love the net. Tongue
 
Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

I hoped I could have contributed as well...But I've kinda' left watching military weaponry we have as I know it can't be a match for what United States is producing.
 
it would be good for some turkish contribution, we are limited to English speaking sites. What is happening with this site? Greeks showing off the turkish military! LOL

BTW dont take the US weapons as being far superior to what you (we) have. The F16's in turkey are as good as what the USAF have, esp after the upgrades. The Popeye for instance, is now made for the USA, while the new artillery is actaully better than what the US currently deploys. So its not a complete story of the USA making better stuff.


Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 04-Mar-2007 at 15:56
Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

Below is a Turkish air defence system.
Not sure about the name. 
 
Patriot ?


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 05-Mar-2007 at 05:25
Not a http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16532&PN=6 - patriot  (nor are they in Turkish service) the long range air defence missile program has only just kicked off now.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?session=dae.24867664.1173089757.Pkri-38AAAEAAFhaGDMAAAAJ&modele=jdc_34 - Article

i am lost on what that is

edit: sure thats air defense? that looks quite static which would be very unique for a SAM. Confused


Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 05-Mar-2007 at 05:46
went on http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/showgallery.php/cat/3763 - defencetalk.com , and found that picture. Geek

its a TORO 260mm MRLS, designed and made in turkey, you will need to speak Turkish to find allot on this i imgaine
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 05-Mar-2007 at 15:14
Demolitions specialist practices de-activating explosives.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 21:53
F-16 & munitions.
 
 


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 00:55
Various...
 
F-16:
 
Infantry:
 
Turkish NATO:
 
Infantry:
 
Turkish made CN-235:
 
T-122 CNRS:
 
Navy commando:


Posted By: Hellios
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 01:48
F-16.
 
 


Posted By: Knights
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 01:52
The Vipers (F16) are fairly out of date now aren't they? Are they planning on replenishing  supplies by purchasing different new generation fighters, or upgrading the F-16 Fighter Falcons? They have 216 at current.



Equipped with missiles including AIM9L Sidewinders: Air to air missile

AIM120 AMRAAMs: Air to air tactical missile

and AGM-65s: (Mavericks) Air to Surface missile. 

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Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 05:09
Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

The Vipers (F16) are fairly out of date now aren't they? Are they planning on replenishing  supplies by purchasing different new generation fighters, or upgrading the F-16 Fighter Falcons? They have 216 at current.
 
For countries like turkey (and Greece) they are great value, ill add the options they have below.
Turkey is updating her entire fleet to Blk50+ standard and just bought another 30 to top up attrition and also stay a little ahead of Greece, which itself built its fleet up not that long ago with advanced types.
 
Some of the drivers i see behind Turkish airforce planning:
- The cold war like environment between it and Greece.
- Most neighbors don't have very strong air forces.
- Limited budget.
 
This would make a strong argument for a; relatively cheap fighter that is better than its neighbors and equal to what Greece operates.
 
Other (light fighter) choices turkey has:
 
- Go Russian & piss off USA, not a politically good option.
- Go with a more expensive French plane like Mirage 2000, problem is its production line is closed.
- Buy the newer Gripen, with more growth potential but it's less powerful, less range, & expensive spares.
- China's new solid looking fighter brings on the same political implications as the Russian option.
India's upcoming fighter is a no-go as far as I'm concerned.
- The F-35 program.  This is what they are actually doing but it'll take a while so they still need the current fleet.



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