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    Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 19:14
I've only read two books on Polish history and it doesn't say much about it's pre-christian history. I was wondering if my fellow Poles could tell me all they learned and know about this period. (Seeing "Stara Basn" has gotten me interested lol)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lohendrin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 20:47

I take interest in Polish history only in the period after 963, the year when Prince Mieszko had to adopt Christianity for Poland (or else face the Teutonic extermination). To me, the idea Poland without Christianity makes no sense whatsoever.

By the way, I am your fellow but regrettably not your fellow Polanie.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 06:05
i know nothing before 1390 or so... or maybe about Kazimierz... anyway the Lithuanian Great-Duke Jagiello was a pagan before his marriage with Jadwiga...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 12:19

Ya I know that Poland is WAY better off Christian, I'm just interested in learning more about something I don't know that much about.

PS: I don't midn if non-Poles answer too. I just wrote that because it's obvious that a Pole will have a better chance of knowing the answer to my question than someone else.

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We know nearly nothing about pre-christian Poland however modern polish scholars assume that in the second half of IX centaury the new ruler have take the power in Gniezno. The prince name was Siemowit and he controlled probably territory of Greatpoland. His son Lestek have conquered Kujavia, Mazovia and the land of Ledzianie (todays Sandomierz). Son of Lestek - Siemomysl have directet the expansion toward north, conquering the land between Greatpoland and Pomorie.

Mieszko was the son Siemomysl and he start to rule about 960 AC.

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Latest archeological works seems to proove that the capital of Polanie tribe was Poznan while Gniezno was a pagan religious center.This year in Poznan archeologists found huge fortifications, a city wall or rather earth/wood/stone wall about 14 metres wide and 10 metres high. 2 years ago also the palace of first polish rulers was discovered also in Poznan. Both the palace and fortifications are dated on half of the 10th century. The size of these constructions seems to proove that Polanie were a well organsied tribe and that my city - Poznan was their political center.



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Can you guys tell me a bit about their religion, rituals habits, stuff liek that, anything you know?

PS: In Stara Basn, what's the name of the king Siemowit and Piastun kill?

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boody4 wrote:Can you guys tell me a bit about their religion, rituals habits, stuff liek that, anything you know?

A great Polish historician said that the knowledge of the religion of Poles in the pre-christian period could take one sheet of paper.

Mosquito wrote: 2 years ago also the palace of first polish rulers was discovered also in Poznan.

A blue paint found on the walls of this palace was prepared on lapis lazuli base. That could be imported only from present day Afganistan.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 18:21

Originally posted by Rava

A blue paint found on the walls of this palace was prepared on lapis lazuli base. That could be imported only from present day Afganistan

This is somthing what i havent read in the newspapers.

Do you have more info and details on Poznan archeological research?

So far i know the archeologists didnt publish final results of their works yet.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rava Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 03:25
An interview with prof.Kurnatowska, in "Newsweek" or "Wprost" Magazine, I should be shot I can't recall #of the issue.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 10:54

Originally posted by Rava

A great Polish historician said that the knowledge of the religion of Poles in the pre-christian period could take one sheet of paper.

Well can you paste that sheet of paper on the thread then?

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Try Aleksander Gieysztor, Mitologia Słowian or just look here:

http://web.raex.com/~obsidian/SlavPan.html

or here: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitologia_S%C5%82owian

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Post Options Post Options   Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 21:50
So Svantavit is the name of the God shown in Stara Basn???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 22:04

The English site was very informative and I tried reading the Polish site even though I only understood only like half of the words because written polish and spoken polish is very different and I'm only used to spoken.

Nevermind, I found the English version of the site.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2004 at 22:20
I wonder if there's an entirely translated in English version of the Book of Veles on a site, because last time I checked I can't read Russian.
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The names of some of the pagan Slavic deities are nearly identical to those of the Indo-Aryans.

 

Here are a few examples off the top of my head:

Shiva (Sanskrit) = Zhiva (Russian) = Zywie (Polish)

Vishnu (Sanskrit) = Vesna (Russian) = Wisnie (Polish)

Varuna (Sanskrit) = Perun (Slavic)

 

BTW, I'm of mostly Polish descent, so naturally these things fascinate me.

 

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Do you know from where in Poland your descendants are mostly from?

Mine are mainly from Malopolska and the territory lost to Ukraine(I don't know the name of the province/region). The later immigrated to the new acquired German territories to Silesia.

PS: Too bad there's not more documentation on pre-christian Poland. It sounds so interesting, especially finding out where exactly did the Slavs come from(b4 coming to Eastern Europe) and other stuff like that.



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Boody4-

My Grandfather had said that our family was from Galicia.  He was born in Tarnow.  Thanks for asking.

It's good to know someone here has similiar interests.  Hopefully we can learn more here on this forum.  Rava is really good on this subject and seems to have a wealth of information.  I wonder if ScythKing from the old AllEmpires forum is here, maybe under a different name (BTW I used to be GoldenAge on AllEmpires).  He also was able to provide a lot of material on origins and migrations and that sort of thing.

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Yes, I know a lot of things about Slavs and their migrations, but I'm also knowing the less known information like "religion" and other minor details like that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 13:37
what was the ruling title of the pre-Christian rulers? did they have a Khaghan like the Kievan Rus?
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