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    Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 12:29
I started this topic due to a story on the network news last night on the image of Muslims in America and a particular imam who is reaching out to the American community in order to try to build a bridge to non-Muslim Americans and dispel some myths regarding Islam. 

I'm not trying to start an almighty flame war or to lay blame on anyone.  But I was surprised to see the ignorance of my fellow countrymen (and women), though I can't really explain why I should be surprised.  Perhaps some honest dialogue between Americans and Muslims needs to happen to dispel the fear and intolerance.  What say you intelligent, rational AE members?


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I'm not sure about my being intelligent or rational but I am an AE member for the time-being.I think this is a good topic for discussion.

I am an Indian and we have the second largest Muslim population in the world.During the past century there has been a lot of violence in South Asia and one of the major factors has been religion.

I guess when a crowd gathers it's difficult to control violence,doesn't matter under which banner,cause,religion,etc. the crowd is.At individual level it is possible to control violence.I think the answer lies in learning and tolerance.

If we see a religion as a Book,we will find differences.If we see religion through the eyes of a person practising that religion,I believe the chances of finding similarities are much higher.

I have a lot to say.For the time-being I'll limit my post and hear what other rational/irrational,intelligent/dumb members of AE have to say.



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The Muslim minority in the US is very different to European Muslim minorities. US being the land of opportunities and religious tolerance attracted a wide range of educated Muslims. Muslims in the US in contrast to Muslims in France for instance, are well educated with financially rewarding jobs and professional careers.  They are also a very active community and you cannot go to a university in the States without noticing the typical MSA banner (Muslim Student Association) under students recognized active groups.

Despite the challenges, the biggest of all is 9/11, the future of Muslims in the USA is definitely promising. Just keep in mind that while you might be questioned praying Fajr prayer in Syria (due to secular totalitarian regime), you are free to pray whatever you like in the United States.

 

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The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years.

Some scholars see an emerging Muslim renaissance as Islam takes root in many traditionally Christian communities.

Islam has drawn converts from all walks of life, most notably African-Americans. Former NAACP President Benjamin Chavis, who joined the Nation of Islam recently, personifies the trend.

"In societies where you have minorities that are discriminated against, I think they may find an appeal in Islam," said Waleed Kazziha of American University in Cairo.

Many moderate Islamic countries such as Turkey and Egypt are becoming more conservative.

Two decades ago, few middle-class Egyptian women wore scarves or veils on their heads. Now they crowd into special emporiums that advertise Islamic clothing.

The shift toward Islamic fundamentalism worries many in the secular world, a fear underscored when splinter groups target Westerners with violent attacks.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dark Age Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 16:35
Originally posted by Apples n Oranges

If we see a religion as a Book,we will find differences.If we see religion through the eyes of a person practising that religion,I believe the chances of finding similarities are much higher.



I believe this is one of the smartest things I've ever read in a forum.  You are absolutely right.  Dogma really doesn't do a good job of bringing people of different beliefs together.  There has to be some give-and-take between people and their views.  Rigid thinking only builds walls between the "right" and the "wrong," without much further discussion.

I know it sounds like liberal pandering but the beginning of tolerance lies in understanding new ideas, cultures, etc. and how they can positively (and perhaps negatively) affect a community and a nation at large.  In America, some people go a long way to segregate themselves from people of different cultures.  This is reflected in the "white flight" phenomenon of major US cities and the legislation of "hate crimes" that expose ignorance for what it is.

In other words, it's quite difficult to introduce Islam as a cultural system and peaceful religion if Americans are not exposed to it.  I'm sure many American folks were first exposed on a large scale to Islam through 9/11 and their minds were then made-up about who Muslims are as a people.  This is the wrong way to determine a conclusion about anyone but there it is.  And, of course, this needs to change.

And it's not about Muslims reaching out to non-Muslims to "explain themselves" on moral issues, but both sides need to come together in order for better understanding.  It takes a willingness on both sides, otherwise one side is talking to a wall.  And we all know how productive that is.  The imam in the CBS news story last night was taking positive steps to expose non-Muslims to the Arab-Islamic "culture" by simply meeting with people who chose to bridge the gap between differences, whether real or imagined.  I thought it was a bold, positive step and I will be even more happy if some non-Muslims in the US would take that same path and maybe people can meet in the middle.  After all, this is not a war with one religion against another, but moderation versus extremism.
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Islam is just like any other religion, it can be used to justify peaceful actions or violent actions. The Qu'ran has verses that can be interpreted into different ways. I don't have any prejudice against Muslims. Though many fundamentalists point to the fact that many Muslims are suicide bombers, the devoutly Christian IRA terrorists also did such things to innocent civilian. Also, there are fundamentalist Christians that suicide bomb abortion clinics. In other words, I am as tolerant of Islam as I am of any other religion.

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The Muslim minority in the US is very different to European Muslim minorities.


The word minority there is not in context. The muslims in America and Europe are not minorities but immigrant groups. Meaning there is no history of there is existance prior to the formation of the states. These people migrated to the US...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bg_turk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 20:41
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The word minority there is not in context. The muslims in America and Europe are not minorities but immigrant groups.

In the USA everybody is an immigrant. Some have just come earlier than others. So why exactly did you single out Muslims as immigrants is a bit unclear to me...Are Christians not immigrants too?
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They are too. I didnt single anyone out. point is is that the two terms are not interchangable and to use one where the other belongs is missleading. South Americans who now live in the US are migrants also, I am a migrant etc.
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Originally posted by Emperor Barbarossa

Islam is just like any other religion, it can be used to justify peaceful actions or violent actions. The Qu'ran has verses that can be interpreted into different ways.

Not really. It's a matter of context that's important. Some choose to ignore it.

I don't have any prejudice against Muslims. Though many fundamentalists point to the fact that many Muslims are suicide bombers,

Your same argument can be extended to secular nations. Suicide bombing I dont think its justified in Islam - the only reason it's in use is because of the great technological disparity between the two combatting sides.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 21:44
Originally posted by Theodore Felix

The Muslim minority in the US is very different to European Muslim minorities.


The word minority there is not in context. The muslims in America and Europe are not minorities but immigrant groups. Meaning there is no history of there is existance prior to the formation of the states. These people migrated to the US...


Well then, the muslim minority in the US is very different to the European Muslim minorities.

Not all muslims in the west are migrants. This may have been true 25 years ago. But the majority are now decendents of people who migrated, or converts.
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As most  Americans feel as much has they love their religions would not want  their religions to control the state . Where as in most  middle eastern countries that is not the case. They say the islam states do not want a democracy, that islam is a democracy and wants to be a super power.The problem is how many want a true democracy for all people and put their religions second. 
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Those are some upsetting results, Americans don't seem to understand why there are so many extremists in Islam and why their the ones who made them like they are. They don't seem to know about the American troops abuse on the Kuran and how bringing in Christian missionaries in Iraq is angering the Iraqi people.
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Money spent:300 billion+
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Real difference made by Saddam's capture:ZERO
Links 9/11 with Iraq:ZERO
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Post Options Post Options   Quote docyabut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 23:09

 American troops abuse on the Kuran has not been proven to have really have happen.

And what if the Christains help out, its what they were taught to do. Just like the tusmumis in the indian ocean, the  govenmemt was afraid the christen help would infulence the people to covert. That is stupid. 

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Originally posted by docyabut

 American troops abuse on the Kuran has not been proven to have really have happen.

I really really hope you are correct, however many people do not share your trust for the US army.

Originally posted by docyabut

And what if the Christains help out, its what they were taught to do. Just like the tusmumis in the indian ocean, the  govenmemt was afraid the christen help would infulence the people to covert. That is stupid. 


Missionaries are spys who spread disorder and turmoil in a community. In addition they are annoying, arrogant, ignorant and have 'thou art holier' than you attitudes.
I am sure they chase more people away from Christianity than they convert.
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Actully, the christain help out weigh any other organization in America to give,  is that really a bad thing? I hope if we ever need help other religous groups in the world would help with out that fear.
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Originally posted by docyabut

Actully, the christain help out weigh any other organization in America to give,  is that really a bad thing? I hope if we ever need help other religous groups in the world would help with out that fear.



yeah right...Katrina hit and half the world was happy
 
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Missionaries help out to gain converts, not for the sake of helping. 
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Originally posted by docyabut

Actully, the christain help out weigh any other organization in America to give,  is that really a bad thing? I hope if we ever need help other religous groups in the world would help with out that fear.


If thats what you consider help, then yes it really is a bad thing.

I prefer your sanctions to your missionaries.
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Missionaries help out to gain converts, not for the sake of helping. 


I'm not religous, but I can tell you that that is a lie. There are many churches that donate money, clothes, food, etc...without having it in their mind that they only want to convert everyone.


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Originally posted by Dark Age


Perhaps some honest dialogue between Americans and Muslims needs to happen to dispel the fear and intolerance. 

Yes, perhaps once the muslims are through rioting over Danish cartoons, attempting to carry out death sentences for converts from their religion in Afghanistan, blowing themselves up in Israel in order to kill children, and flying airplanes into American skyscrapers, we can all sit down and have some honest dialogue in the name of tolerance.

All this talk of tolerance is getting rediculous.  Nonmuslims are always the victims in these situations, yet we are supposed to be the ones to initiate "honest dialogue"?  Perhaps islam should change its ways, apologize, and ask the rest of us to talk to them and sort out this mess.  This situation is getting out of control and is only going to get worse unless something is done about it.

I hadn't heard of American Christian missionaries being active in Iraq, but if they are, what is the problem?  I am sure there are muslim missionaries that are active in the USA and other countries.  If the Iraqis don't walk to talk to the missionaries or associate with them I am sure they don't have to.  Its not like they are being forced to convert or something.



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