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There were plenty of them. In XVI th century PLC parliament Catholics were often a minority.
That is going too far. But there was indeed a period when non-Catholics were really numerous. For example there were 1/3 non-Catholic senators around 1570.
Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.
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Originally posted by ataman ataman wrote:


Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons?

They converted for religious and economical reasons. 

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and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?

Do you mean Lutheranism? I don't know why exactly, but in PLC Lutheranism was popular among townsmen, while Calvinism was more popular among nobility. There was also significant number of Polish Brethren (also called Antitrinitarians, Arians, or Socinians) among nobility.



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In the middle of 17th century PLC (before potop) was very multiconfessional. Especially in the Lithuanian part of commonwealth there were 6 different Christian confessions widespread amongst nobility - Calvinism, Lutheranism, Arianism, Catholicism, Uniates (Greek Catholics) and Orthodox. Not to mention there was also sizeable muslim Tatar and Jewish populations.
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And something else - songs of Polish hussars in 17th c. Tha article is in Polish, but there are links to songs and texts (most of them in Latin) of these songs. 
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by ataman ataman wrote:


Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?
 
I've read it had anti-catholic cler background. Position of the priest in Calvinism was much weaker than in Catholicism. So Nobles who accepted Calvibism didn't pay taxes to Church, second they could overtake Church's property and let's be honest those were the main reasons.
This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich. Calvin nobility were not afraid of Catholics so they prefered to take what's theirs and don't spend too much for religion.
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Originally posted by Majkes Majkes wrote:

This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich.

Afaik the reasons were different. After Polish-Swedish-Russian wars in the middle of 17th century the religious tolerance pretty much ended, because the king was suspicious of all protestant nobles cooperating with Sweden. Many were forced in exile,
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It is much more complex issue.

The begining of regress of Protestantism in Poland might be joined with counter-Reformation and with Zygmunt III Waza's reign. The wars of 1648-1660 only strengthened this tendency. It was the effect of real collaborationism of non-Catholics with enemies of PLC.

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Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by Majkes Majkes wrote:

This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich.

Afaik the reasons were different. After Polish-Swedish-Russian wars in the middle of 17th century the religious tolerance pretty much ended, because the king was suspicious of all protestant nobles cooperating with Sweden. Many were forced in exile,
 
You are right but I was talking about earlier period and it was obvious before Polish Swedish wars in mid 17th century that Catholicism will be victorious in Poland.
Also not only king was suspicious but most of Nobility.
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