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    Posted: 18-May-2009 at 18:54
Apologies for my first ever post being so long and complicated!Embarrassed
 
My 19 x great grandfather (approximately!) died in 1439.  Somehow, he managed to marry a minor heiress and through her, gained a few acres of land.   This is an excerpt from his Post Mortem Inquisition.

 

"The king …. granted to James Fenys esq. the custody of all the lands and tenements which were of the said William Scott and by the death of William and by reason of the minority John Scott his son and heir (who was 2 years old at the time) the said William’s lands and tenements came into the king’s hands and were then therein together with the marriage of the same son and heir, granted into the custody of James Fenys ……………"

 

The “lands and tenements” were, according to the Inquisition “worth nothing” other than through rents.   The inquisition also states that said William held “no other land”.

 

Was this intervention by the King normal practice, considering William Scott was a man of (as far as I know) no real importance, whose wife was still alive?  I thought, that in the Middle Ages, lands brought into a marriage via a woman’s dowry, reverted back to the woman should her husband die.

 

All opinions most gratefully received.  Thank you.

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I think people would have to have more information including the country where this happened to answer the question and then it would be a matter of opinion without more background.
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I doubt that the King himself actually ever heard anything of it. The local escheator would carry out the inquisition.
 
This would be true even though the said William Scott would have had to have been a tenant-in-chief of the king: I doubt that the king actually knew all his tenants-in-chief, especially since he was only 18 at the time.
 
I don't know if inquisitiones post mortem were held anywhere other than in England.
 
PMI would always have been held on the death of a tenant-in-chief, and if the heir was a minor, he became a ward of the king. From what it says, that wardship, plus the lands, were (temporarily) given into the hands of Fenys to manage, together with the right to decide on the marriage of the minor heir in due course.
 
On maturity the holding would normally revert aggain to the heir, thought there might have to be a further enquiry at the time.
 
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Thank you gcle, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

I'd never come across wardship like this before - complete mystery to me!

As it turned out, the ward James Fenys was murdered by Jack Cade in 1450 and sadly, I have no idea what happened to little John Scott.  But, the lands mentioned were still in the same family 100 years later, so presumably he survived to have children.

 

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