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    Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 03:02
it is evident from their features  although they are heavily intermixed after becoming part of pakistan but most of pashtuns have aryan features . following are some pictures of pashtuns which may provoke a thought that they may b original pashtuns.
a pashtun woman with her child in pakistan. note that pashtuns in pakistan have some what pakistnizd but r still different from rest. 
 
  
above is an afghan girl. afgahni pashtuns are more pure than pakistani pashtuns . most afghans have brown hairs which indicate that in past they were blonde which over the time become brown due to marraying with other antions.
 
this is a pashtun girl from pakistan . she is not lighter in skin but has fine facial features.
 
an afghan girl, she is most typical afghan child.
 
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another afghan girl. she is exactly like europeans
 
an afghan girl...
 
blonde pashtuns are rare , she is one of them
pashtun girl from tribal areas of pakistan. these pashtuns are similar to afghani pashtuns.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 16:25
Wonderful photos! 
 
It is becoming increasingly likely that the physical characteristics of blonde hair and blue eyes originated in Afghanistan, Notheren Pakistan and Iran. These genes were then brought to Europe by the historical Aryan migrations.  At the time, North Europe was an extremely isolated part of the world.  The introduced light complected genes then slowly became the magority in some areas.
 
Meanwhile, the number of light complections declined in Afghanistan etc. because the Afghans were more culturally advanced than the Europeans. Thus the Afghans had trade / marriage contacts with other peoples etc where the European tribes remained very isolated.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 21:54

There are also several Aryans in Iran! Wink


Ayatollah Ali Khameni, Iran's leader


Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi, the former head of Judiciary System of Iran
 

Hasan Khomeini, grandson of the founder of the Islamic Republic Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini


Ali Larijani, the chairman of the Iranian parliament


Baqer Qalibaf, mayor of Tehran



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 22:24
I think that the fair-skinned people in Iran are mainly descended from Georgians and Circassians who were warriorslaves in the persian army.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2008 at 23:11
Originally posted by The pathan

it is evident from their features  although they are heavily intermixed after becoming part of pakistan but most of pashtuns have aryan features . following are some pictures of pashtuns which may provoke a thought that they may b original pashtuns.
 
a pashtun woman with her child in pakistan. note that pashtuns in pakistan have some what pakistnizd but r still different from rest. 
 
 
What does that mean heavily Pakistanizd??  what kind of non-sense is that? LOL Pashtuns have inhabited the lands of Pakistan for several thousand years.  If anything, technically, they are real Pakistani and literally, pure.  While it is true that many Pashtuns have fair features, they are the exception rather than the norm, and that goes for Pashtuns from Afghanistan or Pakistan, ethnically and phenotypically there is no difference between the two.  Being a Pashtun myself from Khyber agency (tribal agency), such comments are futile and lacks any factual base.  I dont know why people single out the few that are unique and hold them to be the standard, a common practice in South Asia, and try to make differences between the Pashtuns across the Durand Line; Pashtuns are one and the same, and from what i've seen, look very much the same wether from Pakistan or Afghanistan.  In fact, we have many family members who have married Pashtuns from across the border in Afghanistan, and not that its of any concern, they are of a darker shade than us but for all practical purposes, look the same so I dont know whats being tried to be insinuated here.  Sure, while in comparison to Urdu-speaking mohajir indian refugees and some other tribes in Pakistan they are considerably of a lighter shade, but Pashtuns are not the ''fairest'' in Pakistan contrary to popular belief.  In Afghanistan, many Pashtuns are considered dark in comparison to the northern Persian tribes.  Even in Iran, the few Pashtuns there are considered darker.  The Pashtuns as an ethnic group on their own, have a look all unto themselves that is easily recognizable by Pashtuns themselves.  In areas where Pashtuns live closed to other groups, some admixture has taken place.  In the case of Pakistan, some of the fairest Pashtuns are those that have ''mixed'' in (or become Pakistanizd as you say) with the Dardic tribes of the north, or Kohistani or even Kashmiri, and as a result, now have pronouncely fairer features, while in Afghanistan, those that have mixed in with the Turkic tribes(eg. Ghilzai) or northern tribes(farsiwan) have more pronounced and ''fairer'' features.   last time I checked the Pashtuns have lived on the west bank of the indus for several thousand years and are generally considered to have originated from the Sulaiman mountains of South West Pakistan.  Pashtuns have mixed with various invaders and people(s) in history, other examples are the Pashtuns of Wardak, who after conquering parts of Bamiyan, often have strong Hazara features, other Pashtuns such as the one's in Herat, some have  more of a ''Herati'' look than a Pashtun one, in Pakistan the Pashtuns in Attock and Hazara district have intermixed with Panjabi and share some of their phenotypic features, while those in north look more dardic with fair skin and an increased incidence of coloured eyes and blonde/brown hair.  Historically they have mixed with Scythians, Huns, Turks, Greeks amongst many others; the point is, most if not all of these mixtures occurred several thousand years ago and are not ''recent''.  Also, if you've studied anything about Aryan tribes, you'd know, that the Aryan tribes only passed through the mountainous Pashtun tribes area  after much difficulty with only some admixture with the tribes controlling vital passes and ended settling the fertile lands of five rivers (Panjab) who are universally accepted as being the recipients of Aryan genes and culture in this part of the world and also if I may add, a people who do not have blonde hair etc...Wink


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Can these silly topics be banned?  Is it too much to ask?  Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2008 at 19:59
i second the notion. "Aryan" if anything refers to lingustics, not complexions of people...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 06:21
Originally posted by Cryptic

Wonderful photos! 
 
It is becoming increasingly likely that the physical characteristics of blonde hair and blue eyes originated in Afghanistan, Notheren Pakistan and Iran. These genes were then brought to Europe by the historical Aryan migrations.  At the time, North Europe was an extremely isolated part of the world.  The introduced light complected genes then slowly became the magority in some areas.
 
Meanwhile, the number of light complections declined in Afghanistan etc. because the Afghans were more culturally advanced than the Europeans. Thus the Afghans had trade / marriage contacts with other peoples etc where the European tribes remained very isolated.
 
 
WTF?  All the blonde, blue-eyed people migrated from point A to point B? 
 
They can trace the homeland of Austronesian languages to China via Taiwan because Taiwan has the greatest concentration of Austronesian language diversity.  There are other examples of this kind of linguistic pattern.  I would assume, perhaps wrongly, that the same could be said of physical traits.  Therefore, the location of the greatest concentration of blonde/blue-eyed traits is probably the original homeland, or close to it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 11:27
This is the old theory of Aryan purity espoused by the Nazis, long since debunked. Let's move on people. These physical traits occur naturally in most ethnic groups, in some more than others, it doesn't mean they're all Aryans originally. 

Cute girls though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2008 at 08:39
Originally posted by Reginmund

This is the old theory of Aryan purity espoused by the Nazis, long since debunked. Let's move on people. These physical traits occur naturally in most ethnic groups, in some more than others, it doesn't mean they're all Aryans originally. 

Cute girls though.
 
Good point. 
 
They've discovered that Neanderthals had the gene for red hair and pale skin, but it wasn't shaped like our gene for the same thing. 
 
There just happen to be a lot of people with the recessive genes for blonde hair and blue eyes in Scandanavia, but blonde hair also shows up among Australian aborigines during childhood.  
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http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/7/7e/200px-Vanuatu_blonde.jpg

Look it's a pure Aryan. Wonder how he got all the way there, eh. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2008 at 01:46
Originally posted by capcartoonist

but blonde hair also shows up among Australian aborigines during childhood.  
Probably due to European genes and/or malnutritian more than anything else.
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Malnutrition? Are you suggesting the majority of us up here are malnourished? Tis not true we eat like pigs. Pig
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2008 at 04:26
Just love how silly these pictures are. 
 
The pathan has all these silly pictures and none of which were taken for the reason to show some type of extreme phenotype.  The last 2 are captioned completely wrong.  Firstly, the little girl with her hand in her mouth is not even Pashtun, by the look of her scarf she is either Tajik or Iranian.   The last picture is not of a Pakistani girl, its of an Afghan girl who was brought into a tent to talk to her father via video cam who is being held in Guantanamo bay.  I believe the meeting was sponsored by the Red Cross.
 
Ugh, when will admins stop this stupidity and just ban all of these nonsense topics?
 
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Please note that these people are NOT Albinos.

A look back into time. The First wave of human Migration

These people are desended from aboriginal people who left Africa some 70,000 years ago in pre history, they travelled along the coast line from eastern africa, Arabia india, Bangaladesh to south east asia ending up in what is now Indonesia, Papua New Ginea, and Australia. Some of these earle human type continues into the Figi islands and Melenesia (Which is named after then- Melenin is the pigment that results in dark skin) and into the pacific and were later Joined there by later waves of early mogolian types migrating down to create the polynesian people of hawaii and Samoe. These original people of south east asia still retain display the proto-gene for blond colouration of hair in early man. These people are very rare.

Black skin people with naturally blond hair. Strange but True. There whole idea that blondness being some special aryan trait that makes them somehow superior to other groups is dare I say nonsence. It is just more common in euroasian people. Thats all.



Here are some picture of African Albinos who are totally different to the people in the pictures above who are naturally carry the blond gene. The cause of Albibo colouration is down to a medical condition known as Albonism ( there are many types of Albonism). The condition results in a general lack of pigmentation which causes albinos to be sensitive to sun light. they are also very probe to skin cancer and poor eye sight.




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spelling corrected, I think!!!

First of all there is no such thing as a mutual exclusive or homogenous race. Just Mankind (Humanity).

Man is distributed around the world. We share the same gene of the first true humans to walk the earth. These genes produce all our feature. In some populations certain characteristics like blond hair and blue eye are more common than other. This does not mean this characteristics originated in them or is somehow exclusive to them and therefore is a defining racial trait.

Some populations in Europe and asia (I refer to the much promoted Aryans whose mythology the Nazis Hyjacked to justify the genocide committed by thier so called Master race) or oppress others they see as inferior for social reasons. Blond(Yellow) and light coloured eyes are not excluse to Euroasian populations. Scientist are only recently beginning to understand the distribution of genes properlty. We need to dismiss some of the ignorant idea of this notion of Race.

Note that other populations on the opposite side of the globe also carry thase genes (we share the same initial gene set) but they manefest themselves differently is distributed populations. People have to understand that there are Mongolian peoples (in central asia steppes and the Altai mountain near China) with green/blue eye, and sometimes with blond hair. And please note this is not due to admixture as test with Y chromosomes can show. In some remote parts of Africa, and the Americas some indigenous peoples display green eye colour.

See the above Photo taken by reseach anthrapologists.

The most tricking example of this are the aboriginal Australiod poeples of Papua New and Australia in south east Asia, whose ancestors where among the first wave of humans to leave Africa and populate the Globe. There carry the the remains of the original genes set. Some of the still exhibit proto-blonde features. Black skinned people(note I did not say African but are distantly related to) with blond hair. Later waves of early human migratration formed other population groups.   

There is an aboriginal people in Japan called the Ainu who inhabited the Japanese islands before the current Japanese arrived there from Northern China and Korea 2000 years ago. The look like Australian aborigines but have pale white skin. Very few of them remain as most were killed by the invading Japanese some were assimilated into the Japanese population.

Haven’t you ever wondered why Native peoples of the Americas facially resemble Siberians?

There are Indians, Sri Lankans and Bangaladeshies, and in some rare cases Arabs who are darker than some Black Africans. Skin Colour, Eye colour, and hair colour does not define race, and is not exclusive to any race because there is no biological thing such as race. Race is a social political construct for carrying out aggression on those we perceive as inferior.

I have some picture to illustrate my point. Can someone let me know how to upload them for all to see.


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The reason why some people especially upper class or elite Middle East and Asian countries become blonde or have green or blue eyes has possible 3 explanations.
 
First, because they think that blue or green eyes and blondish hair is attractive, rich people marry women of such trait and they produce blue/green eyed blondish, sandy haired offspring.
 
Second, they were probably mixed with British in cases of Iran and India or Russians in Mongolia and Kazakhstan.
 
Or alternatively it is just product of evolution to read about it more go to: http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=25865
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The first explanation is the most likely.
 
In Etruscan frescos the majority of the men were brown or tanned. The majority of the women were fair skinned brunettes, but they did include a blonde woman.
 
This also occured to the Turks, who by a certain time they had a sultan with natural red hair, and blue eyes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jan-2009 at 20:01
Who says blond hair and fair skin is an Aryan trait? Pashtuns could be and almost certainly are part Greek, Persian and British, anyway.
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