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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

English is an important world language today because we have experience two great successive English speaking empires. First the British Empire, and then the USA.

Now English is studied because everyone else studies English. Previously English was studied because people were either ruled by the English, had to deal with the English, or were English. In other words, the English language is only important because the English people speak it, and because the English people conquered a large Empire. The English language itself is actually one of the hardist ones to learn!

If the English people spoke Saxon, then Saxon would be important. If there was no French or Latin in the English language it wouldn't make the slightest difference!

You can only say Hastings is important if it lead to the British Empire. I don't think it did. Although my main criticism of Hastings is actually William's leadership. William had cavalry, archers and infantry, facing off against an entirely infantry army. The only way Harold could've won was through William's incompetence, because the Norman army was so much more flexible than the Anglo-Saxon that William could have out manoeuvred and out ranged Harold at will. (In fact, this is what he eventually did but it took him a while)
Uh - have you actually studied the battle at all? Going by that statement I'm guessing not. Here is the link to the wikipedia page. It will tell you:
1) Although comprised of only infantry Harold's army was very formidable.
2) Archers had little effect on it (and their effect grew less as the battle went on since they started to run out of arrows)
3) Harold had by far the better position of the two, meaning he didn't have to do any manoueuvering.
4) Though William had some of the best cavalry in Europe at the time they were repulsed more than once with heavy losses
5) It could easily have been a Saxon victory if the English forces had maintained their discipline and held the shield wall.
One more thing - Harold and many of his main lords were not Saxon - they were Danes - in other words Vikings (as, oddly enough, was William by descent).
My last point still stands - if you maintain that Hastings is only important if it lead to the creation of the British Empire, by your qualification we should call battle such as Marne, Verdun, Stalingrad and Midway overrated, since none of them created an Empire.

Edited by chean - 04-May-2009 at 12:29
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Originally posted by Galahadlrrp Galahadlrrp wrote:

--For those who might be interested, this links to a pie chart showing the breakdown of the words in modern English. It's interesting that the largest shares come from French and Latin (29% each), followed by the Germanic languages, at 26%.


most basic words and grammar are still Germanic though. languages cannot be explained so simply as just to count which words originate from where... before the 20th century the German language had numerous French loanwords, and still does have a considderable amount of Latin loanwords even though Germany was never part of either empire.
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