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es_bih ![]() Immortal Guard ![]() ![]() Beglerbeg Joined: 20-Dec-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3426 |
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Yes, point is they thought of themselves as Romans.
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Sparten ![]() Immortal Guard ![]() ![]() Totalitarian Iconoclast Joined: 18-Mar-2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 5009 |
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More to the point Mehmet II died and the his successor was not interested in the Italian operation.
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The Germans also take vacations in Paris; especially during the periods they call "blitzkrieg".
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kurt ![]() Consul ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-Apr-2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 358 |
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He did. But noone answered after what happened to the last crusading army who fought against the Ottomans (battle of Varna, 1444).
Actually they captured and occupied the city of Otranto, and were planning to advance up the Italian peninsula and conquer the whole thing. The pope, after having his calls for a crusade were ignored, even fled Rome. After the Sultan died a year later, however, the plan for both the capture of Italy and the island of Rhodes disintegrated.
If someone could could conform what I'm writing, that would be great, otherwise the two profoundly eurocentric and in my opinion inaccurate quotes above would be accepted as fact.
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Leonardo ![]() General ![]() ![]() Joined: 13-Jan-2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 778 |
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There is an old post of mine dedicated to Otranto: http://www.allempires.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=14877&KW=Otranto&PID=273963#273963
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kurt ![]() Consul ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-Apr-2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 358 |
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I guess I'll have to concede defeat then. Lets try not to turn this thread into another debate about which man was more powerful. |
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Evrenosgazi ![]() Consul ![]() ![]() Joined: 17-Sep-2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 379 |
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Otranto was occupied by the turkish forces with a surprise. The defenders fought heroicly but they were unable to hinder the turks from occupying the castle. Turks were led by Gedik Ahmet Paşa, a remarkable and diciplined commander. Their goal was to take a fort and make their operations from that base. But the news of the sultans death arrived and Gedik Ahmed Paşa had to cancel the operation because of CEM and BAYAZIDS throne claims. After a couple of years he was dead in this fight. The ottomans were in a civil war and they couldnt give any attention to italy. Totally 1500 ottoman soldiers were garrisoned in otranto. And my friends, for 1,5 year they werent even attacked by a christian army. Otranto was taken by Ferrante with the help of hungarian mercenaries. After the capture the turks fought for Ferrante.
I think if the energic and ruthless mehmet was alive at the initial phase of the invasion , Italy would be in a trouble. Maybe the famous Italian wars would start much earlier. Could you think. 30-40000 Turks invaded Italy.
The death of Mehmet is much more important that the second Wien siege. Because at the 17th century ottomans had to little chance against europe. But at the last 15th century , Europe before ronesans and reformation would had much more hard times.
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Kapikulu ![]() Arch Duke ![]() ![]() Retired AE Moderator Joined: 07-Aug-2004 Location: Berlin Status: Offline Points: 1921 |
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Because of the very precious piece of fact that there was a title race going on between sons of Mehmed II, Sultan Cem and Sultan Bayezid.
Cem later went to exile in various places, Rhodes, Mameluke Empire and finally Italy.
Bayezid maintained an extremely passive foreign and military policy contradictory to his predecessors, till the death of Sultan Cem.
There was always the risk of Cem returning back to the vicinity of the empire after getting defeated in the title race, supported by enemies of the empire and take over from Bayezid.
It was only after the death of Cem that Ottoman Empire once more took up an active foreign and military policy, beginning with a harsher stance towards Mamelukes and conquest of Adriatic islands like Corfu, Zanta and Cephalonia.
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es_bih ![]() Immortal Guard ![]() ![]() Beglerbeg Joined: 20-Dec-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3426 |
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Actually the "Catholic" "Orthodox" split happened far earlier than the trivial "great schism" you are refering to. That schism was not mentioned in either source as "great," it was a trivial event that got picked up as some groundbreaking split between East and West. The two churches had led seperate policies for centuries earlier. The Roman "pope" was never recognized as the leader of all Christianity, nor was any other patriarch, therefore, once Constantinople was raised to a patriarchate alongside the older ones, and Rome it was already contesting with the Roman see for Illyria as Western/Eastern Roman Empire borders shifted.
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Kapikulu ![]() Arch Duke ![]() ![]() Retired AE Moderator Joined: 07-Aug-2004 Location: Berlin Status: Offline Points: 1921 |
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True about all except the devastation.
Ottomans indeed met with strong resistance, however they weren't devastated, they had to depart upon the death of Mehmed II. Edited by Kapikulu - 28-Jun-2009 at 13:37 |
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