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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Homer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2006 at 04:17
 
And a story about ossetian woman might be true because our languages still have got loads of simmularities. Smile
 
Oh, by the way, fish in ossetian is Kaf.


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Ossetian is not the same as Avestan.  It's in the same family group, as in, Eastern Iranian branch though it's more akin to Pashtun.


Can you elaborate more on this? I know both are eastern Iranian, but I'd really like to see how more akin they are. 

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Originally posted by Zarak_Khan Zarak_Khan wrote:

 

Hello!

This is my first post on this forum.

I stumbled upon this thread and found the material here interesting.

Nevertheless, I will like to add that Ossetic, like Pashto, a language spoken in Afghanistan and north-western Pakistan, is an East Iranian language. In fact, Pashto and Ossetic are the only surviving literary East Iranian languages. Some other languages in the East Iranian group are Yazghulami, Wakhi, Munji, Yidga, and Shighna.

About the similarity of the Ossetic words above with that of Pashto, I will say that:

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

Ossetian don (Alanian dan) = water [compare with: 'Don River']

This word is also used in Pashto where it means "Pond" or "Lake". In fact, in Pashto, we have the names of lakes like: "Shin Dan" [Blue Lake], and "Mahoo Dan"[Fish Lake].

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Ossetian arf (Alanian apr, Modern Persian zharf, Pahlavi zupar) = deep [compare with 'Dniepr River']

In Pashto, we have the word "jawar" or "zawar" for "deep".

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Ossetian styr (Alanian stour, Modern Persian sotorg, Pahlavi sturg) = big [compare with: 'Dniester' River - 'dana stour']

In Pashto we have the word "Styr" for "big". So this word Pashto has the same meanings as in Ossetic.

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Ossetian sar (Modern Persian & Pahlavi sar) = head [compare with: 'Sarmatian']

In Pashto, we use "sar" for "head". In Pashto, "mat" means "to break" or "broken". "Sarmatian" in Pashto would means "brave people that fight to death". Our national poet Khushal Khan Khattak says:

"Pa Jahan kai da nangyal wi da dwa kara

"Ya ba okhuri kakari ya ba kamran shi"

[A brave man has only two options in the world...either to fight to death or to secure victory...]"

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Ossetian hoch = mountain [compare with:  hoch (Germ.)]

In Pashto, the corresponding word is "ghar".

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Ossetian roukhs (Modern Persian roushan, Pahlav rokshn) = light [compare with: 'roksalan', 'Roksalana']

In Pashto, there is a similar word "roukhan/roukhana" meaning "bright" or "illuminated".

 



Good information,  is there an estimate on how close is Pashto to Ossetian?  I'd like to see how many words are related between the languages, also is the language syntax the same between the two?
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Originally posted by Iron (Ossetian) Iron (Ossetian) wrote:

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you`ll find more about Cherkes people here http://www.commersant.com/tree.asp?rubric=5&node=442& ; ;doc_id=-98

Here are some pictures of Ossetia & its people http://www.kavkazweb.net/foto/thumbnails.php?album=862

Anbalan,

Congratulations with Dzheorgubae! All the best!

http://www.iriston.ru/docs/pozdravlenie_moskovskoj_osetinsko j_obshini.wav

 

 

 

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Can any Pashto speaking friends here in this forum ascertain how close Ossetian is to Pashto in these links? Do you:

a) understand the Ossetian being spoken here

or

b) understand some words

the third link appears to be without music so it is more clearer....




Edited by Ave1 - 16-Jul-2006 at 13:01
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http://iwpr.net/?p=crs&s=f&o=322570&apc_state=henpcrs

Latest news from South Osetia in English. 

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I dont think anybody here is a language expert to be able to break down each word and look at it's etymology and relate it with other Eastern Iranian languages.

I dont find anything they say remotely similar to Pashto, but it does clearly sound "Iranian" in the way they pronounce words, with slighly slavic attributes.  Pashto, being completely the opposite side of the spectrum has clearly Iranian traits, with slightly Indian attributes.
 
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Don't forget- Georgia, Azerbaijan, Dagestan were very much in the Persian milieu till the treaty of Turkmanchai and Gulistan ripped them out of the Perso-Islamic orbit.

The Ossetes are a part of Georgia and Russia today. Ethnically they arguably preserve certain Iranian characteristics more faithfully than many modern day Iranians who have been hybridised by invasions, that did not affect the Ossetes so profoundly throughout history.

Much Sufi poetry about wine, intoxication  and dance, harks back to pre-Islamic Iranian days, that today are far less obvious in Iran today, but integral for instance to the culture of modern day Georgia. The pre-Islamic exuberance of the Iranians is best understood today in my opinion, by seeing the living breathing Caucasian cultures, that were not excessively Arabised.
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Quote Ethnically they arguably preserve certain Iranian characteristics more faithfully than many modern day Iranians
 
Can you describe some of these characteristics?
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Originally posted by Ave1 Ave1 wrote:

Originally posted by Iron (Ossetian) Iron (Ossetian) wrote:

Day 1

you`ll find more about Cherkes people here http://www.commersant.com/tree.asp?rubric=5&node=442& ; ;doc_id=-98

Here are some pictures of Ossetia & its people http://www.kavkazweb.net/foto/thumbnails.php?album=862

Anbalan,

Congratulations with Dzheorgubae! All the best!

http://www.iriston.ru/docs/pozdravlenie_moskovskoj_osetinsko j_obshini.wav

 

 

 

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Can any Pashto speaking friends here in this forum ascertain how close Ossetian is to Pashto in these links? Do you:

a) understand the Ossetian being spoken here

or

b) understand some words

the third link appears to be without music so it is more clearer....




A couple of months ago i downloaded a few folkloric Ossetian songs, and they sounded so much Pashto, like words spoken out of order, most of it.

I'd lov eto find out more about the Ossetians people and the language itself.
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Originally posted by Saki Saki wrote:

Don't forget- Georgia, Azerbaijan, Dagestan were very much in the Persian milieu till the treaty of Turkmanchai and Gulistan ripped them out of the Perso-Islamic orbit.


Where did u get this from?


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