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Hi,

by accident i found your interesting discussion  I can see that you have already found the website i was about to recommend you http://www.canada-osetia.net/iryston/enter.html  Hope you liked it, i think it is the best website about my people & it`s culture.  If you have any questions about Ossetians you are welcome to visit Ossetian International forum http://www.canada-osetia.net 

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But the forum is not in English!
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

But the forum is not in English!

That's a shame. Unfortunetely I don't know any interesting Ossetian forum in English.

Originally posted by Iron (Ossetian) Iron (Ossetian) wrote:

Hi,

by accident i found your interesting discussion 

Dae bon horz, aevsymaer!

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Ossetian are a non-Iranian people who have adopted an Eastern Iranian language. Stalin was ossetian and he does not look Iranian or Slave or Alan or Scythian at all. Ossetian are similar to other groups in Caucasus who have adopted Iranian languague but are not Iranians.
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Wasn't Stalin a Georgian?
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Originally posted by oslonor oslonor wrote:

Ossetian are a non-Iranian people who have adopted an Eastern Iranian language. Stalin was ossetian and he does not look Iranian or Slave or Alan or Scythian at all. Ossetian are similar to other groups in Caucasus who have adopted Iranian languague but are not Iranians.

I am sure you know too little about Ossetians. Stalin was Georgian and there is no proof he could be Ossetian. Stalin wrote in his autobiography that he was son of a Georgian and he never spoke Ossetian neither. However there are many political speculations behind his origins and there are Ossetian and as well as Jewish version also. Historically Alans moved from north to south and assimilated some local Caucasian tribes, so north Ossetians might be anthropologically different then south Ossetians. However the genetically results shows the Ossetians Digors are 50% Iranian (Isfahan) MtDNA and Ossetian Iron are about 70% Iranian MtDNA the rest Mediteranian type
http://www.netrover.com/~rous1/cauc.pdf
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Originally posted by Anbalan Anbalan wrote:

Originally posted by oslonor oslonor wrote:

Ossetian are a non-Iranian people who have adopted an Eastern Iranian language. Stalin was ossetian and he does not look Iranian or Slave or Alan or Scythian at all. Ossetian are similar to other groups in Caucasus who have adopted Iranian languague but are not Iranians.

I am sure you know too little about Ossetians. Stalin was Georgian and there is no proof he could be Ossetian. Stalin wrote in his autobiography that he was son of a Georgian and he never spoke Ossetian neither. However there are many political speculations behind his origins and there are Ossetian and as well as Jewish version also. Historically Alans moved from north to south and assimilated some local Caucasian tribes, so north Ossetians might be anthropologically different then south Ossetians. However the genetically results shows the Ossetians Digors are 50% Iranian (Isfahan) MtDNA and Ossetian Iron are about 70% Iranian MtDNA the rest Mediteranian type
http://www.netrover.com/~rous1/cauc.pdf
http://www.yhrd.org/index.html

I am very sure he know nothing about iranian at all, just read his link about "Persians and Hollywood" I dont know why is he caliming such nonsens.



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Oslonor, I have had the misfortune of reading your misinformation on more unsavory forums, your views are very misguided.



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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

But the forum is not in English!
No problem Cyrus,  almost all of them can English, i am sure they will welcome you!

 

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Originally posted by oslonor oslonor wrote:

Ossetian are a non-Iranian people who have adopted an Eastern Iranian language. Stalin was ossetian and he does not look Iranian or Slave or Alan or Scythian at all. Ossetian are similar to other groups in Caucasus who have adopted Iranian languague but are not Iranians.

 

Hei pň deg, Oslo gutt!

Well, you are very wrong. Just like 70% of Iranians, Alans come from Aryans. Stalin had a Georgian Mother & an Ossetian Father (he died when Josef was a little boy), .  But you know... Georgians can have him..



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 Ossetians are very different, some have very light skin color, others are darker, some have blue eyes, others green or hazel..  for me it doesn`t matter. We are all proud of who we are & where we come from.  I call my people beautiful not only because of the way they look like , but because of their spirit.  here is a new ossetian website in English, but it is not completed yet... http://www.ossetians.com/eng/

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You know what has happened in Ossetia in September, 2004.  This pain will stay with us forever... it is difficult for me to talk about Beslan.  This website is in English, it will help you to understand what we are going through http://www.materibeslana.com/eng/index.php

Always in our hearts http://www.materibeslana.com/eng/thelist.php?category=4

 

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as far as I know, south ossetians are mixed with georgians and north ones perhaps with russian or other. does it really matter though?

anyway, the ossetians left for the current place because of the mongole invasion.

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Originally posted by Persian Persian wrote:

as far as I know, south ossetians are mixed with georgians and north ones perhaps with russian or other. does it really matter though?

anyway, the ossetians left for the current place because of the mongole invasion.

Like in any other country you`ll find mixed marriages.  I can`t say we have mixed with Russians, the % of such marriages is very low (perhaps because of cultural differences)...  One of the first Ossetians who had married a Georgian was out Tsar(King) Soslan David & his wife was a Georgian Princess Tamara...   What is spacial about Ossetians that not only they managed to keep their language, but also  ancient culture & traditions.

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Anbalan, shalam! Iron dae?!

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Are Ossetians called "Cherkes" by russians?? I think there exists a large groop "Cherkez, šerkez" people in Turkey. Also Libanon exist half of "šerkez" people who where settled there by Ottomans to secure them from russians.

fysical appearance of cerkez people do look more Turkic then iranic to me, dunno sorry in advance if im wrong...

Also R. T. Erdogan (premier of Turkey) is half šerkez...



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That depends what you mean by Turkic or Iranic - you get oriental looking Turks and you get European looking Turks and everything in between.  And Iranic is the same except the population is dark to light caucasian, sometimes with mongoloid admixture who look like what I have seen called Turanid on these forums, many Russians look like that.

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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

That depends what you mean by Turkic or Iranic - you get oriental looking Turks and you get European looking Turks and everything in between.  And Iranic is the same except the population is dark to light caucasian, sometimes with mongoloid admixture who look like what I have seen called Turanid on these forums, many Russians look like that.

But btw the matter is how you feel youreself deep in youre hart, but i didnt know that šerkez people where actually Ossetians... So Turkey is now ruled by a šerkez-ossetian guy Minister of sports in Turkey, he is half šerkez and half Laz. Melih G÷kšek who's governor of Ankara is a full šerkez guy, etc etc

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Originally posted by DayI DayI wrote:

 But btw the matter is how you feel youreself deep in youre hart, but i didnt know that ├erkez people where actually Ossetians... So Turkey is now ruled by a ├erkez-ossetian guy Minister of sports in Turkey, he is half ├erkez and half Laz. Melih GĂk├ek who's governor of Ankara is a full ├erkez guy, etc etc

There are some Ossetians (mostly Digors) among Cherkez in Turkey. They are not so many, but there are many of my relatives there. Russians called ôCherkezö people of Adyge languages (Adygians, Cherkesians, Kabardinians, Abazians, etc.). Most of population of the nations were deported by Russians or emigrated to Turkey during and after Russian-Caucasus war. They were groups of Ossetians and Chechens among them also. During Civil War in Russia many Ossetians were loyal to the tzar and fought against Bolsheviks (the Red Army) and it were very cruel battles in Ossetia. After the White Army was defeated, many of those fled for Turkey. As I know there are some minor Ossetian comunities in Turkey, Siria and Lebanon.



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Originally posted by DayI DayI wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

That depends what you mean by Turkic or Iranic - you get oriental looking Turks and you get European looking Turks and everything in between.  And Iranic is the same except the population is dark to light caucasian, sometimes with mongoloid admixture who look like what I have seen called Turanid on these forums, many Russians look like that.

But btw the matter is how you feel youreself deep in youre hart, but i didnt know that šerkez people where actually Ossetians... So Turkey is now ruled by a šerkez-ossetian guy Minister of sports in Turkey, he is half šerkez and half Laz. Melih G÷kšek who's governor of Ankara is a full šerkez guy, etc etc

That is true but I wanted to know what you meant by Turkish looking. lol I remember when i was in Turkey the operator of the banana thing attached to the speedboat asked where I was from, I said Scotland and he said I mean originally, I said Iran, he said you look like a Turk and made some terrorist joke about Iran . And in Greece our family was not allowed to go on a small cruise ship because they originally thought we were Greek and the boat was for foreign tourists only, they let us on when they found out we were foreign, right after we couldnt speak Greek .  

My point is that it is quite confusing when people say someone looks like a Turk or Iranian because such a variety of looks exist in the nations.

 

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you`ll find more about Cherkes people here http://www.commersant.com/tree.asp?rubric=5&node=442& ; ;doc_id=-98

Here are some pictures of Ossetia & its people http://www.kavkazweb.net/foto/thumbnails.php?album=862

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