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Forum LockedOrigins of the Franco-Prussian War

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Jul-2007 at 13:06
of course. even after the "unification", the minor german states enjoyed a huge inner autonomy. btw it's Welf(en) in German, not Guelph which is Italian spelling.
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600 pikeshot1600 wrote:

Originally posted by Aster Thrax Eupator Aster Thrax Eupator wrote:

Quote My understanding of the origins of the war are the spanish asked for a german prince to become king, the hohenzollerns agreed, France got very upset, the prince in question relented and declined the spanish offer, egos and the threat of losing face got involved, besides pride, the french sent a telegram bismark manipulated it...france declares war. (If I am mistaken by all means let me know)
I always thought that In a nutshell, it was to scare the southern states into joining Prussia. They could then declare the German empire in the 1870s.
Actually Prussia already had secret military agreements with the south German principalities.  Bavaria was the one that mattered, and Bismarck had managed to bribe King Ludwig into agreeing, and into persuading the others.
All this came out during the Luxembourg affair in 1867, and was a major shock to France.  The French had not only ceased to be a war-like nation, they had become diplomatically inept, as the Spanish candidacy in 1870 showed.
Believe it or not, the proclamation of the Empire was only arranged in the euphoria of victory in 1871, and was not universally popular among the princes...who were the one's who proclaimed it, not "the Germans."
Here is something else that we should continue.  There is so much misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the "unification" of Germany that is out there.
What do the members think about the position of France in 1870? 
How about the secret military treaties between Prussia and the other south German states after 1866?
Did Bismarck really have a handle on what he was doing, or was he just improvising and grabbing at what he could orchestrate as it developed day by day?  Was he the "evil genius," or was he just lucky?

Edited by pikeshot1600 - 19-Apr-2009 at 14:43
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