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The fact is that I am more in search of the origin of Iranian culture than the Germanic culture, as I said in another thread, I believe climate has a very important role in forming a culture, so Indo-European peoples who lived in India or Southern Europe couldn't have the same culture of northern Indo-European peoples, we know for sure that original Iranian peoples who worshiped the fire and heat, lived in a very cold land, it has even mentioned here: http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/BriefHistoryoftheEarth33.pdf that Airyana Vaeja (Iran-vij) existed near the North Pole.

Of course modern Iran is not a cold country, maybe for this reason we see in Shahnameh most of stories happened in a mythical cold land, for example about Spandiyard (Esfandiyar), his most important adventure after "killing the dragon" is "voyage through snow" ->  http://www.geocities.com/shahnameh/Epic/15b00Esfandiyar.html

I read something interesting about Sigurd (Siegfried) here: http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/a/anonymous/nibelungenlied/introduction.html >> The dragon is the symbol of winter, the dwarfs of darkness. Siegfried denotes the bright summer, his sword the sunbeams. The youthful year grows up in the dark days of winder. When its time has come, it goes forth triumphantly and destroys the darkness and the cold of winter. <<

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote King John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2009 at 22:53
So then you are coming to the realization that Germanic culture is not Iranian/Iranic culture?  I would agree that climate does have an impact on culture, I would just point out one thing; climate changes.  While the North is a comparatively cold place now, it was not always as cold as it currently is.  So as the climate changes so does the culture.  You also fail to realize the impact of surrounding cultures or for that matter predominant cultures.  Specifically I am talking about the impact of Latin/Christian culture on northern Europe.  

The interesting thing that you read is just one interpretation of the story.  If you read further you will see that another school of thought just sees the story as a familial struggle.  This school of thought is supported by the scholar Boer.
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Of course the climate change was an important point, as we read in Vandidad it was the only reason that Iranians migrated from Iran-Vij, >> from the above link: http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/BriefHistoryoftheEarth33.pdf -> The sylvan climate of Airyana Vaeja began to get colder, and soon the snow started gathering on the North Pole. The Mai-Abadians could not stay on the ice pack, and hence began their great migration. The order of their migration is mentioned in the first Frakart (chapter) of the Vendidad.
I'm talking about something which happened more than 3,000 years ago, Iranian and Northern European cultures have been certainly developed during this 3,000 years and influenced by other cultures.
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3,000 years ago isn't all that long. Or did you mean 3,000 BCE?
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

3,000 years ago isn't all that long. Or did you mean 3,000 BCE?
There are some claims, especially by Iranian nationalists, that Aryan migration dates back to more than 3500 years ago (1500 BC) but I think there is no evidence to prove it, you can find several mentions of different peoples who lived in Iran before 1,000 BC in the Mesopotamian sources but non of them were Iranian-speaking people.
 
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

we know for sure that original Iranian peoples who worshiped the fire and heat, lived in a very cold land, it has even mentioned here: http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/BriefHistoryoftheEarth33.pdf that Airyana Vaeja (Iran-vij) existed near the North Pole.

And now the Iranians are even Santa's Elves.

Nobody lived anywhere near the North Pole, ever. It's in the middle of the Arctic Sea, which is huge. Nothing lives on the ice-pack, there is no food or anything. Even cultures like the Inuit are thousands of miles from the Pole.

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Not in the last 3,000 years,. certainly. Not probably in the lifetime of man.
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The modern Briton are said to be predominantly of native briton stock. The germanic settlements did influenciate more culturally and linguistically than racially. Its genetically proven that even in eastern england (most germanized area of uk) the main component of dna is native breton. No matter that most of nordicist from 19 century tried to prove by anyways the overwhelming germanicness of the brits, specially english.
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lol .... if it's true,how come majority population of Iberia peninsula look Latin & N African oppose to English share close physical build & facial similiarities with the Germanic peoples !
 
 
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I never said most brits look spaniard..but they also are recognizable among germans, dutch and scandinavians..
 
 however they look what they are in the middle path between iberians and northwestern europeans. As matters of example take a look to  Gordon brown, rowan atkinson, catherine zeta jones, the beatles, the rolling stones, tom jones, etc. most of them wouldn't stand out in iberia.
 
here is an example, fairly common looks among britain:
 
now fairly common looks among germany:
 
You can see many brits just have some sort of lighter iberian looks , none of the germans could remotely pass as iberians while the brits aren't that far metrically from southern euros. Dna studies doesn't lie


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Europeans are genetically related more or less,so it's not surprised there is a percentage of shared bloodline between Iberia peninsula & British Isles in the past.British are undisputably a mixture of indigenous Briton & Anglo-Saxon & Viking plus other admix.

DNA can be doctored,and manipulated by social & political currents !
 
Seriously,latest online fad is link Iberia to British Isles by " Latinos " in the Americas ( lol ).
 
I may add one more to list of Iberian look-alike ( lol ) .... Orland Bloom
 
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

Europeans are genetically related more or less,so it's not surprised there is a percentage of shared bloodline between Iberia peninsula & British Isles in the past.British are undisputably a mixture of indigenous Briton & Anglo-Saxon & Viking plus other admix.

DNA can be doctored,and manipulated by social & political currents !
 
Seriously,latest online fad is link Iberia to British Isles by " Latinos " in the Americas ( lol ).
 
I may add one more to list of Iberian look-alike ( lol ) .... Orland Bloom
 
 
 
 
What problem do you have with "latinos"? over my country we aren't calling ourselves latinos but chileans and then southamericans. latinos were the old inhabitants of lazio region in italy. i hope it is clear for you now.
Btw i have been personally over those countries and if you look slowly at the face of many britons they arent that far from iberian features, no matter their pigmentation.
 
Look those...
 
 
 
i bet you never been in britain..
 
many of those wouldnt even stand out that much in chile..not to be exaggerated but it's truth.
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Originally posted by SerHumano SerHumano wrote:

The modern Briton are said to be predominantly of native briton stock. The germanic settlements did influenciate more culturally and linguistically than racially. Its genetically proven that even in eastern england (most germanized area of uk) the main component of dna is native breton. No matter that most of nordicist from 19 century tried to prove by anyways the overwhelming germanicness of the brits, specially english.
 
For the second time in a few minutes I'm reminded of Sellar and Yeatman (see Knights' thread in the Tavern today). In 1066 and All That they point out there are only two memorable dates in British history, 1066 itself and 55 BC when the Romans came. This was a Good Thing since up until then the British had been 'only natives'.
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personally I think that Europe had no human beings until people migrated from Asia to there. That's why I think That some asians have red hair, blonde hair or blue/green eyes. . And I think That having blonde hair or blue eyes/red hair doesn't mean you're european or come from there in any way. What's awkward is that How come The Original Inhabitants of Ancient England have no name ? Or do they? Can some one tell me if they do.
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Cyrus: Similarities in stories are all over the world. It's always the good vs evil and such. Humans were first a small group and they scattered all around the earth and made their own culture language and such. But since they all were once a small group wouldn't they share some similarities.? So sharing the same kind of stories is not enough proof that they were once scythians or persians.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-May-2009 at 15:36
I don't remember that I have just talked about the similarities between stories or about other things too in this thread but the most impotant thing is a fact that almost all English sources have mentioned and this fact is that Scythians were among the original inhabitants of ancient England.
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