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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 18:16
Originally posted by MythTR MythTR wrote:

We are not racist ok, we are only trying to tell our history regularly cause a lot of greek and armenian persons talk about our GREAT HISTORY. And you know better than me they divert the realities because of their wrong ambitiouses on our great timeless country.
 
Don't scare of Turks, you can say we don't scare also, but it seems someones scare, we say that we are not racist we only want to save our great history...
 
Racist, maybe not, but nationalist?  How can the person reading the above reply not take it as a Turkish nationalist trumpeting their rhetoric?  You have all the components: setting up the Greeks and Armenians as aggressors against your history, a statement made IN ALL CAPS, grandiose adjectives describing your history.  Come on, as the American idomatic phrase goes, "the cat has been let out of the bag." LOL
 
Note:  Just because my screen name is Byzantine Emperor does not mean that I am an ethnic Greek or that I am a Greek nationalist.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 18:32
Yes , you know we are nationalist like all nation.
I setting up the greeks and armenians because it looks easyly they are talking about very very very freely about our history. Do you think all person can speak on a history about another nation ? no , not. only real history proffessors or addicts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 20:30
he is armenian. right byz emp?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:03
Quote Yes , you know we are nationalist like all nation.
Very true. I don't know anyone who doesn't love own history,nation,country.
Patriots are the most respectful people everywhere.
Or u don't know differencies between rascism and patriotism.

Quote greeks and armenians because it looks easyly they are talking about very very very freely about our history.
It shows how much they "love" us.
I don't want to talk about "great" gipsy armenia or that alexander macedonian were "greek".
I never write about turkic history or something that i don't know in
another topics which are not about turks.
But i see only people who do not like turks in life enter here and
what they do is not discussing but only offtop-ing in turkic forums and make topic garbage with their offtop posts.
They are feeling theirselves very free to write what they want without any frames.
You do "history" for us lol!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:13
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

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But i see only people who do not like turks in life enter here and they are feel theirself
very free to write what they wants without any frames. You do "history" for us lol!
 
This explains everything, why we are trying to do something here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:41
Originally posted by MythTR MythTR wrote:

Yes , you know we are nationalist like all nation.
I setting up the greeks and armenians because it looks easyly they are talking about very very very freely about our history. Do you think all person can speak on a history about another nation ? no , not. only real history proffessors or addicts.
 
No, just because you are citizens of a certain nation or country does not mean that you have to be a paranoid nationalist that believes there are Armenian and Greek monsters around every corner of the cyber world and the real world that are ready to devour or rend asunder the history of your people.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

he is armenian. right byz emp?
 
No, I am not.  Just plain old American from the Midwestern USA.
 
Let me reformulate my note from earlier:
 
Just because my screen name is Byzantine Emperor does not mean I am Greek or Armenian, nor that I am a Greek or Armenian nationalist.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

Very true. I don't know anyone who doesn't love own history,nation,country.
Patriots are the most respectful people everywhere.
Or u don't know differencies between rascism and patriotism.
 
No, there is a difference.  Please see my reply to MythTR above.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

I never write about turkic history or something that i don't know in
another topics which are not about turks.
But i see only people who do not like turks in life enter here and
what they do is not discussing but only offtop-ing in turkic forums and make topic garbage with their offtop posts.
They are feeling theirselves very free to write what they want without any frames.
You do "history" for us lol!
 
On the contrary, I think that legitimate historians, who also happen not to be Turkish, Greek, or Armenian, can often bring a certain measure of objectivity to the study of the Ottomans, Byzantium, or what have you, that historians of the same ethnic group cannot.
 
One definitely does not have to be of the same ethnic group or religion of the civilization about which they study and write.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

It shows how much they "love" us.
I don't want to talk about "great" gipsy armenia or that alexander macedonian were "greek"
 
Would you care to explain what you mean by these statements?
 
If you ask me, the same things you two are writing about Turks seems awfully similar to those things that are written by people who are obsessed with Macedonia/FYROM/Alexander or that the twelve apostles and citizens of Atlantis were Bulgarians.
 
Where do you two get this idea that only Turks can reply to Turkish-themed threads?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:49
Come on guys, you dont believe that sumerians are proto turks. If you have any proofs than you must cite the sources. This claim will be a useless and meaningless nationalism
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 21:55
Finally. Evren put some sense to your countrymen, they embarass your country.

PS: Hungry Wolf continue this way and your presence here might be short. I already reported you.


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Quote Where do you two get this idea that only Turks can reply to Turkish-themed threads?

No man you know i dindn't say it.
I just say do not offtop here and don't make this topic garbage.
You can only discuss history here not anything else. I'm saying it again and again.
And you are continueing to off their.

Quote If you have any proofs than you must cite the sources.
evren i have million tons of proofs for you in turkic if you want but i can't translate it to english to view in this forum.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:05
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Byzantine Emperor wrote:

Where do you two get this idea that only Turks can reply to Turkish-themed threads?

No man you know i dindn't say it.
I just say do not offtop here and don't make this topic garbage.
You can only discuss history here not anything else. I'm saying it again and again.
And you are continueing to off their.
 
What?
 
How has pointing out your rhetoric and inconsistencies made the topic "garbage?"  You and MythTR have, despite your protestations, told all members who don't subscribe to your rhetoric and who are not Turkish "nationalists" that they cannot post in this thread.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:14
Look, Byzantine Emeror...
 
I have endless respect to you, to your opinions, to your experience.
 
I didn't come to this forum for racialism.
I never have this opinion.
I never say all nations are bad, weak, poor. I never.
 
You said to me
 
"Where do you two get this idea that only Turks can reply to Turkish-themed threads? "
I never claimed that but think it, you said I am an American and I will start this point. Yes what I was saying, think it; you are American, you love your country, you love your history, you love your forefathers etc...
 
And think it I am a russian. In the past my nation and your nation had controversies.
 
One day, I found a forum and this forum was a history forum. I saw the topics which are about America , American people ....
 
And I entered and wrote freely and more more more freely, for example : Americas people isn't a people, they are mongol, they have not real people DNA, they only copy from other people bla bla bla. 
 
And think it again one day you saw theese msgs on the search bot (like Goo*le) and you decided to enter this from and save your truths.
And you met a friend who you have the same blood, and get started to answer the topics together which are written about your nation. And after this a person would appear and say, don't make racialism , nationalism , you are wrong you are wrong , the americans copy from mongols mongoloid mongoloid mongoloid , greek , armenian , arab , all nation but no american bla bla bla How would you feel ? 
 
 
I didn't write a regular text cause of time , here 00.12 and I will go to the school tomorrow and I should go to bed.
 
 
(all persons and nations are imaginary in this small story)
 
Thank You!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:18

and last, the history is consisting of recurrence .

 
We may get banned, we may get killed, but our opinions and the truths are timeless (endless)
 
important point : we are not racist. we are nationalist like you like he like she like they like all ...
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No man you know i dindn't say it.
I just say do not offtop here and don't make this topic garbage.
You can only discuss history here not anything else. I'm saying it again and again.
And you are continueing to off their.
 
What?
 
How has pointing out your rhetoric and inconsistencies made the topic "garbage?"  You and MythTR have, despite your protestations, told all members who don't subscribe to your rhetoric and who are not Turkish "nationalists" that they cannot post in this thread.

After this posts i become totaly sure of that u are a gipsy armenian living in US.
becouse you make words from words how to say in english you are making tale with my words. read my post again or discuss only HISTORY. do not offtop and do not make this forum garbage with offtops.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:36
Insulting a moderator is really smart Hungry Wolf.....and you discuss pseudo history I am afraid. Please cite your sources or begone. Thank you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 22:36
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

After this posts i become totaly sure of that u are a gipsy armenian living in US.
becouse you make words from words how to say in english you are making tale with my words. read my post again or discuss only HISTORY. do not offtop and do not make this forum garbage with offtops.
 
Alright.  Let me get this straight.  Calling someone out on their rhetoric and overweening nationalism makes one a "gypsy armenian?"  You really need to explain what you mean by this as it could be taken as a derogatory racial comment.
 
I will say it again.  I was born and raised in the Midwestern USA and my heritage is Scottish, Irish, and English with a bit of Cherokee indian.  As far as I know, none of my ancestors were Greek or Armenian.  Why does this bother you so much?
 
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Quote Why does this bother you so much?

Man how Azerbaijanian can love the people who occupate 20% of his motherland.
I hope you know about nagorno-kharabag problem in Caucasia.

OK. lets be "human" and don't write anything else about nationalism or nations
and do not go far from topic's theme.


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You guys are just embarrasing yourselves and while you think your being so nationalistic all your doing is giving your nation a dis-service by giving a bad name and stop making stupid accusations and waffling on about Greeks, this isn't a Greek-Turk issue, there isn't one on this forum and we'd like to keep it that way.
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Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

OK. lets be "human" and don't write anything else about nationalism or nations and do not go far from topic's theme.
 
I agree both now and many posts ago when I pointed out that nationalism was entering to the discussion and throwing the topic off-course.  Myself and the other moderators will hold you to your words.
 
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Quote Please cite your sources or begone. Thank you.
At first page i put a link to the site what describes it.
Not only it but also another things about turkic origin and the meaning of the "turk" word.
After me MythTR also posted about turkic-sumerian language, about their similarity.
If it is not enought for you, you can also use these links for more information.
Thank you too.

http://www.polatkaya.net/Part-2_Sumerian_Turkish.html

Similarity of languages :

http://www.storm.ca/~cm-tntr/sumerturka.html

http://www.storm.ca/~cm-tntr/sumerturkb.html

http://www.storm.ca/~cm-tntr/sumerturkc.html


Here the common vocabulary.

Quote English ...... Sumerian ..... Turkish 

[A to G inclusive]


In the list below, the English words are the intermediary words between the Sumerian and the Turkish words.

English ...... Sumerian ..... Turkish

___________ ... _________ ... _____________

-ablaitive ........ Ka-ta ........ Kapu-tan, Kapu-dan

-accusative ........ Ka-n-i ........ kapu-n-u, KapI-y-I

-dative ........ Ka-na ....... Kapu-y-a

-equiative ........ Ka-gim ........ Kapu-kimi

-genetive ........ Ka-na(k) ........ Kapu-n-un

-innesive ........ Ka-ta ........ Kapu-da

3 ........ Es ........ üç

10 ........ U, un ........ on

Abundance ........ He-Gal ... g>b ........ bol

Accumulate ........ dirig ........ irk (toplamak) [ONT]

Adam ........ Adapa ........ Adam (atam)=my father; (homosapien) ataapa = father's father

Advice ........ Gal-ga ...g>b ........ Bil-ge

Air ........ Lil ...l>y ........ yil (yel)= wind

Ancestor ........ Bil-ga ........ Bil-ge (=knowledgable, experienced)

Anger ........ mir ...m>k ........ kiz-mak (=to get angry)

Ant ........ marun ...m>k ........ karîn-ca [ONT]

Arm ........ Kar ........ Kol, kar?

Ashes ........ De-Dal ... d>k ........ kül

Away from ........ -ta ........ -tan, -dan, -ten, -den (suffix)

Back ........ Eger ........ Eg~er (=saddle)

Back of head ........ Arku ........ arka (=back)

Band ........ dib ........ yip (=ip=string) [ONT]

Bank of river ........ Gu ... g>k ........ Kî-yî

Base ........ Ur ........ Uruk (=family, clan)

Be strong (to) ........ kalag ... g>ng ........ kaling (kalabalik, çok sürü; kalîn, kesif; çok, sayîsîz, sîk, koyu) [ONT]

Be great ........ Diri ........ Diri (=alive with life, energetic)

Beaches of river ........ Ki-A ........ Kî-yî

Bead ........ nunuz ... n>y ........ yinçü (=inci= pearl) [ONT]

Beans ........ Lu-ub ........ Lobya, Lobi (Uygur)

Bear ........ Az ... z>y ........ Ayî

Beard ........ Sig ........ Sak-al

Beat (to) ........ Tud ... d>v ........ döv

Beginning ........ Sha-Har ........ seher, tan (=morning)

Behind ........ E-Gir ........ geri

Belligerent ........ Kur ........ Kîr-an (=one who breaks)

Beloved ........ Ki-Aga ........ Aga (=Lord, elder brother, one who is respected and loved)

Bend (to) ........ Gur ........ Eg~ (=bend; Kîr = break)

Best ........ Sag ........ Sag~ (=unbroken, in best condition)

Bird ........ Mus~en ... m>k ........ Kus~ (notice the "kus~/mus~" saying in Turkish)

Bird ........ usa^an ........ kus^ (uçan)

Birdnest ........ us^ub ........ kus^+eb (kus^evi, yuva) [ONT]

Birth ........ Gal ........ Gö-bek (=navel, emblical chord)

Blacksmiths ........ Simug-A ... s>t ........ timur (=blacksmith); (temir= iron)

Blood ........ mud ... m>k ........ kan [ONT]

Blow (wind) (to) ........ es^ ........ es-mek [ONT]

Border ........ zag ... z>y ........ yaka (taraf, yan, civar) [ONT]

Border, limit ........ mas^ ... m>k ........ kas^ (kîyî, kenar) [ONT]

Breakthrough ........ Gu-Gir ........ KIr gir (=break and enter)

Breath ........ Lil ... l>y ........ yil (yel) (=wind)

Bright ........ zal ... z>y ........ yal-drîk, (yal-druk, parlak, süslü)

Bright, light ........ zalag ... z>y ........ yalîng (alev, yalçîn) [ONT]

Broker ........ Dam-Kar ........ KIr-an

Brother (older) ........ Bulug-Gal ........ Aga-bey; aka-uka (Ui.Tr)

Brother ........ S~es~ (Ses) ........ Kardas~

Build ........ Du ........ Dik (=build a house; sew a dress)

But ........ Am ........ Ama

Butter ........ Ia-Nun ........ Yag~

By the God ........ Dingir-E ........ Tengir icin , Tengi icin

Call ........ Sa ........ Ca-g~Ir

Cast away (to) ........ ku ........ ko-y (birakmak, koymak, terketmek, atmak)

Catch (to) ........ Gab ........ Kap= to snatch

Cattle stable ........ s^urum ... m>k ........ sürüg (sürü) [ONT]

Champion ........ Ur ........ Er, yigit (= brave man)

Chanal ........ garim ........ arik (ark; irmak) [ONT]

City ........ Uru, Ur ........ Uruk (=family, clan)

City ........ Sag-Uru ........ Sag~ (=complete, whole);

Cleanse ........ zalag ... z>y ........ Yala (= to clean by licking)

Cloth ........ Tug ........ E-tek

Come ........ Gen, Gin ........ Gel

Command ........ A-Aga ........ Aga (buyuk kis^i) (=Lord, one who commands)

Conqueror ........ Al-Tar ........ Tarkan

Constable (police) ........ Aga-Us ........ Aga (=Lord); Us (=reason); koy agasi (=village master)

Country side ........ Kur ........ KIr

Country ........ tir ........ yir (yer, toprak, [ONT]

Crown ........ Aga ........ Aga (=Lord)

Crush (to) ........ Gaz, Guz ........ Ez

Crush ........ gaz ........ ez-mek [ONT]

Cry ........ I-lu ........ Agla

Cut (to) ........ Has^ ........ Kes-mek

Cut into pieces (to) ........ kid2 ........ kid-mak (kiymak, öldürmek)[ONT]

Cut up (to) ........ Sil(a) 12,117 ........ S^IlI (Tele. Tr)=it cuts

Cut, break ........ tar ........ yar-mak [ONT]

Dagger ........ Giri-Ba-Da-Ra ........ Gir-en (=piercing instrument)

Dark ........ Ku-Kuga ........ Kara (=black)

Darkness ........ Ku-Ku (G) ........ Kara

Dawn ........ Sha-har ........ Seher, Tan

Day ........ U ........ Gün, Kün

Day, time (in general) ........ u4(d) ........ kün (gün, günes^, gündüz) [ONT]

Daybreak, dawn ........ dag ... g>ng ........ tang (tan, sabah vakti) [ONT]

Dead, to die ........ us^2 ...s^>l ........ öl (ölmek) [ONT]

Decree ........ A-Aga ........ Aga sözü(=Lord's orders)

Deity ........ Dingir ........ Tengir, Tengere, Tengri, Tangara

Desert ........ Kur ........ KIr (=not fertile land); Kum (=sand)

Discernment ........ umus^ ... m>k ........ ukus^ (akil, anlayis^) [ONT]

Disperse, undo (to) ........ bur ... r>z ........ boz-mak, yikmak [ONT]

Distance ........ Us ........ Az, uz (az gittik uz gittik gibi);

District ........ nanga ... n>y ........ yanga (yan, kanat)

Divorce ........ Tag ........ Dag~-Il (=separate, disperse)

Dog ........ Lik, Ur ........ bör, börü, it; kurt (=wolf)

Door ........ gis^ig ........ es^ik (kapi =outside) [ONT]

Drill (to) ........ bur 411,104 ........ Burgu (=drill)

Drive (to) ........ Hus 565,58 ........ Kos^u (Os. Tr)=wagon, coach ???

Elders ........ Ab-ba ........ Aba, apa

Enemy ........ taga ........ yagi (dus^man) [ONT]

Energetic ........ dirig ........ irig, diri [ONT]

Enourmous ........ Diri ........ iri

Equipment(for boat) ........ Su-Kara ........ su (=water); araç (=equipment)

Estate ........ E ........ Ev (=house, estate)

Esteem highly ........ Ig Kal ........ iyi, iygi (= good); Kal (=stay)

Evening ........ Usan ........ Aks^am

Excellent ........ Diri ........ Diri (=alive with life, energetic)

Excessive (extra) ........ Dirig-Dirig ........ Diri diri

Face ........ Sag-ki ........ Sak-kal (=beard)

False ........ Lul-La ........ Yal-an (=lie, deception)

Far mountain land ........ Ish-Kur ........ Dîsh kîr (=outside lands)

Fat ........ Ia ........ Yag~

Father ........ Ad-da, A-A ........ Ata, Atta

Feet ........ Gir ........ Gir (=enter); yürü (=walk)

Fill (to) ........ du3 t........ o-l-mak (dolmak) [ONT]

Find (to) ........ Bu-Bu-Lu ........ Bul

Fine flower ........ Zid-Gu ... z>ç ........ Çiçek

Finger ........ u ........ Ui (=sleeve)

Fire ........ Ag, Bil, Gira, Izi ........ Köz (=non flaming fire); Ag~ (ak=color of glowing fire, white)

Flashing eyes ........ Igi-Gun-Gun ........ Gün (=Sun, Sun light, day light)

Flesh ........ Uzu ........ Kuzu (=Lamb)

Follow, accompany ........ tag, tuku7 ........ daga- (izlemek, es^lik etmek, taklit etmek, emrinde olmak) [ONT]

Foot ........ Gir, Giri ........ Gir (=enter)

Foot ........ mulu ... m>k ........ köl (ayak) [ONT]

Foothill ........ Hursag ........ KIrsal (=unproductive land)

For ........ Es ........ Için

Ford ........ Bala ........ Balaban (=large bodied)

Foundation ........ us^ ... s^>l ........ ul (duvar temeli) [ONT]

Free (to)? ........ gid ........ id (salmak, göndermek, serbest birakmak, geçirmek, ulas^tirmak) [ONT]

Front ........ Gaba ........ Gabag~ (=Front)

Fruit ........ Gurud ........ Gurud (=dried yogurt balls)

Garden , field ........ kiri6 ........ kîr (kîr, basîk, dag~, açik yer) [ONT]

Garden ........ Kiri ........ kir, yer (toprak) =dirt, soil

Garment ........ Tug ........ e-tek (=lower part of woman's dress)

Gate ........ Ka ........ Kapu, kapî

Gateway of the Gods ........ Ka-Dingir ........ Tengir KapIsI, Tengri KapIsI

Gather ........ Ur ........ Ur (=a round growth)

Girl (young) ........ Ki-sikil-Tur ........ KIz

Give (to) ........ sum ........ sun- (sunmak, uzatmak) [ONT]

Glanzen?, hell ........ zalag ... g>ng ........ yaling (alev; yalçin, sarp,

Glazed, bright ........ zal ... z>y ........ yal (yalov, alev) [ONT]

Gnaw (to) ........ Tukur ........ Tükür (=to spit)

Go ........ Gin ... n>t ........ Git

God - Moon ........ Sin? ........ Ay Tengri (the word SIN is in Akkadian)

God - Sun ........ Utu ........ Kün Tengri

God ........ Dingir ........ Tengir, Tengere, Tangara, Tengri

God of Air and Earth ........ En-Lil ........ Yil (=Wind, air)

God of Heaven ........ An ........ Tan (=Sky); Tengri, TanrI (=Sky God)

god ........ dingir ........ tingir, tengri, tanri

Goddess of Dreams ........ Nina ........ Ninni (=lullaby)

Goldsmith ........ kudim ... d>y ........ kuyumcu

Good ........ sag ........ sag (sag~, iyi, sag~lam) [ONT]

Grab ........ urugal ........ kurgan (kurgan, kale, mezar)[ONT]

Grasp (to) ........ Kap ........ Kap (=pot, utensil that holds something in); kap-mak = to snatch and hold

Grass ........ ulia ........ öleng (sulak yer, bataklik; ot, çayir; çimenlik; otlak) [ONT]

Great (to be) ........ Gu-ul ........ Ulu ol-mak

Great ........ Gal ........ Ulu =Great

Ground ........ Ur ........ Yer;

Grow (to make) ........ Bulug ........ Bulug~ (=to grow ripe; bulug~ =puberty; to reach puberty; to ripen)

Guard (to) ........ Kurum, Uru ........ Koru-mak


Edited by HungryWolf - 17-Mar-2009 at 13:13


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