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    Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 14:54
Some historians say that the word "turk" means "strong" but others have their different views about this word.
I also read that this word have nothing with ethnic origin and it was used 6000 years ago as
"the man who trust to one single God (Tengri)"
and it was religious termin what combined and connected peoples of different races.

You can get information and read books about it at : Adji.ru (in english language)


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it means Turks were first peoples who trust to single God and it was 60 centuries ago

you can also read about Tengri at :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 17:53
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

it means Turks were first peoples who trust to single God and it was 60 centuries ago
 
Were there even any "Turks" as they became defined by that term sixty centuries ago?
 
Also, if anyone had trusted in the One God first it was the ancient Hebrews, and even then, the Covenant made with Abraham was about forty centuries ago at the most.
 
What timeline are you following?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 19:37
You know there is 2 main history about turks

1)Ancient Shumers were the fathers of the turks
As there language is very close to turkic. There is facts and books about it.
2)Turks come from Altai
European historians say that

Anyways i put a link. If any questions please follow the link and read about it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 19:57
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

1)Ancient Shumers were the fathers of the turks
 
I don't really care about this and it was not the statement to which I replied.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

As there language is very close to turkic. There is facts and books about it.
 
I do not really care about this either.  Also, it was not the statement to which I replied.
 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

2)Turks come from Altai
European historians say that
 
See my answers to 1 and 2 above.

 
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

Anyways i put a link. If any questions please follow the link and read about it.
 
Actually, I did take a moment to look at the website.  It looks to be a very suspicious "source," if it can even be called that.
 
You said that the "Turks" were the first to worship "the one God" sixty centuries ago.  I disagreed with this assessment and said why.  The argument was about religion, not nationality or language.  Plus, the "source" you referenced does not talk about the Turks worshiping Allah, whom I assume you mean by "the one God."
 
If anything, it talks about them being paganistic or shamanistic early in their prehistory:
 
Quote ...Two and a half thousand years ago Tengri God gave rise to the Iron Age for Turkic people. A fantastic event! We don't know who was the first metallurgist. Perhaps his name was Temir. He deserves a monument. He and his great invention - the first metallurgic furnace in the world!
 
...It should be mentioned that I-III centuries and the whole "Indian period" of Turkic history have been absolutely forgotten by the Turki, but haven't been forgotten in India and Iran. In these countries Kanishka-khan (78 - 123) with pure soul and stable belief is still deified. He was the founder of northern branch of Buddhism and worshiped Heavenly God - the Great Tengri.
 
...That was the name the Turki have given to Heavenly God who had disclosed the secrets of iron two and a half thousand years ago.
 
...Cult of a new God was connected with iron, apparently. But why was it so? It wasn't by accident that in the past iron was called a "heavenly metal"… Wasn't this cult "created" due to meteorites? Heavenly stones acquainted people with "metal of the sky"! Then a cult of Blacksmith-God appeared which developed into belief of people acquainted with force of heavenly metal… Religion could have started only from concreteness! Belief in Heavenly God, in his retributive protective iron sword.
   
...At first the Turki used to be the pagans. But new God changed them. Tengri became the heart of Turkic spiritual culture. The Most High made the nation invincible.
 
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Quote Plus, the "source" you referenced does not talk about the Turks worshiping Allah, whom I assume you mean by "the one God."
I just don't understand why this source must talk about the Turks worshiping Allah?
If u want to know i am not muslim. not christian or something else i am Deist.
Majority of turks became muslim from the 11th century. Before that and before the christ they only worship Tengri as a single God who created the galaxy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:28
Yet another guy with ridiculous theories (I mean wtf, Sumerian Turks) you don't really expect people to take you seriously, do you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:32
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor Byzantine Emperor wrote:

Plus, the "source" you referenced does not talk about the Turks worshiping Allah, whom I assume you mean by "the one God."
 
I just don't understand why this source must talk about the Turks worshiping Allah?
If u want to know i am not muslim. not christian or something else i am Deist.
Majority of turks became muslim from the 11th century. Before that and before the christ they only worship Tengri as a single God who created the galaxy.
 
Ah, thanks for clarifying at this point.  It would have been better if you had defined the terms you were using in the beginning rather than juxtaposing "Tengri" and the epithet of "Most High God" as if all who read this understood.
 
Nevertheless, my criticism remains of the "source" you provided.  It also seems to confuse religious terms and claims (from what I could tell) that many Turks believed in some kind of syncretic morphing of Tengri into Allah once they converted to Islam.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:38
omg i understand u greek but if u don't care or smth then why u enter this topic and write a comment ?
I don't know it is real or not but there are many sources (books) and facts about Shumers as their language was very similar to turkic language.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:51
Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

omg i understand u greek but if u don't care or smth then why u enter this topic and write a comment ?
I don't know it is real or not but there are many sources (books) and facts about Shumers as their language was very similar to turkic language.
 
Actually, I am not Greek, although I am highly interested in both Byzantine and Ottoman history.
 
If you read what I originally posted, and then clarified in the second post, my contention was not with the language or ethnic characterizations you made, but with the religious.
 
Before you made the clarification, your terminology and framework were highly ambiguous and deceptive, not to mention the link you posted.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 20:57
Quote HungryWolf
You know there is 2 main history about turks

1)Ancient Shumers were the fathers of the turks
As there language is very close to turkic. There is facts and books about it.
2)Turks come from Altai
European historians say that


This is delusional pseudo fantasy history at its worst.

There is no serious historical evidence that points to Sumerians being proto-Turks.

Its not just European historians that say Turks came from the Altay region, Turkish, Japanese, Congolese any historian anywhere in the world will connect Turks with Altay region.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 21:22
I will say something and you will think again I am doing Turkish Nationalism but trust me I will not!
 
The last historical reserchments show us Sumers are proto-Turk. Cause in this geogrphy there were not any people like Turkish , like geting lamb dresses, like applicating Turkish war tactics ( wolf camp etc..) like country rationalize etc..
 
If we turn the real topic,
 
Turk means power, people, derive , growing population .....
 
I will keep an eye on this topic (:


Edited by MythTR - 15-Mar-2009 at 21:22
We Turks are a people who throughout our history have been the very embodiment of freedom&independence
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 21:28
Aratta, kuti, lullubi ,turukki, kassi, subi

These ethnics were first turkic origins and live in II thousand years b.c (4000 years ago) around the Caspian sea and they have relative connections with shumers.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 22:34
Originally posted by MythTR MythTR wrote:

The last historical reserchments show us Sumers are proto-Turk. Cause in this geogrphy there were not any people like Turkish , like geting lamb dresses, like applicating Turkish war tactics ( wolf camp etc..) like country rationalize etc..


Please I am begging you present those evidence to us....where are those quality Turkish members that logged in in the old days? All we are getting recently are delusional nationalists, it's embarassing.
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The last historical reserchments show us Sumers are proto-Turk. Cause in this geogrphy there were not any people like Turkish , like geting lamb dresses, like applicating Turkish war tactics ( wolf camp etc..) like country rationalize etc..


There is no historical research showing Sumerians to be Turks, these theories are not serious.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2009 at 22:47
Quote  All we are getting recently are delusional nationalists, it's embarassing.
We turks aren't nacionalists or something else like that.
We just want what belongs to us. True history.

Look what said German Professor Neumark :

If you will take out Turks from history, there will be no word as a "history".

Originally in turkish "Sizler farkında değilsiniz ama onlar şu gerçeğin farkındadırlar. Tarihtan türk çıkarılırsa tarih kalmaz. Osmanlı arşivi tam olarak ortaya çıkarsa bugünki tarihlerin yeniden yazılması gerekir(Ki biz buna Orta Asya(Türkistan da bulunan piramitleri ve Kazım Mirşan tarafından Ön Türkçe olarak çözülen yazıtlarıda ekliyoruz)."


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Originally posted by HungryWolf HungryWolf wrote:

We turks aren't nacionalists or something else like that.
 
It's not Turks that are nationalists just certain individuals that give them a bad name by posting ridiculous theories on the internet
 
*coughs*like this threadShocked
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Quote It's not Turks that are nationalists just certain individuals that give them a bad name by posting ridiculous theories on the internet
 
*coughs*like this threadShocked
Only greek can enter turkic forum and write about ancient turks' history what he wants although turks do not make it to greeks or anyone else.
We just discuss our history in our forum and with facts and sources.
If you want to discuss then please, but only discuss history not anything else.
Do not offtop here.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 16:54
i read sometime ago in on of the old Arabic books, it mentions that Turks are sons of Yafeth along with Gog and Magog, and when Dul Qarnayn locked the later ones he left Turks behind and thats why they are called Turks, that Taraka in Arabic means leave something, and Turk is something like they were left behind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2009 at 17:42
We are not racist ok, we are only trying to tell our history regularly cause a lot of greek and armenian persons talk about our GREAT HISTORY. And you know better than me they divert the realities because of their wrong ambitiouses on our great timeless country.
 
Don't scare of Turks, you can say we don't scare also, but it seems someones scare, we say that we are not racist we only want to save our great history...
 
Well, bulldog said Sumerler (Shumerians) were not Turk, if you think like this you can look this :
 
Türkçe(Turkish)             Sümerce (Shumerian)
      Ata(forefather)            Adda
      Agır(heavy)                Agar
      Asgı(hanger)               Azgu
      De! (söyle)(tell)          Di
      Tengri(god)                Dingir
      Dök(pour)                  Dug
      Es(wife or husband)   
      Kom (ağıt)(dirge)      Kum
      Kapkacak(avend)      Kapkagac
      Kaç(how many)         Kaş
      Ko (koy)(put)            Ku
      Men(me)                   Men
      Sağ  (living)              Sag
      Sun  (present)           Sum
      Tin (a voice)              Tın
      Toku(old Turkish)      Tuku
      On   (ten)                  U
      Öbür (another)          Ubur
      Yumuş (iş) (job)        Umuş
      Us (akıl)(mind)          
      Sağ (taraf)(right)      Zag
      Çibin (sinek)(mosquito)  Zibin


Edited by MythTR - 16-Mar-2009 at 17:43
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