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Originally posted by svantoVID svantoVID wrote:

would it be possible for someone to pick into hungarian royal archieves,
say between 1385-1397
sigismund, queen maria, palatine, garai, ...
 
although the arhive is written in latin, i understand, there is also a (at least part of) hungarian translation with explanations
someone from hungary might be in better position to explain local geography and customs ...
 
this may give us some additional insight into
 
1387 death of elizabeth kotromanic
1389 b of kosovo
1394 b of karanovasa
1395 b of rovine
1396 b of nicopolis
1397 krizevci massacre
 
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one might expect sigismund might have done a lot of cleaning ...
Unfortunately the medieval royal archive was destroyed. In 1541 when the Ottomans captured Buda, the sultan ordered to carry it to Constantinople. It was embarked, but the cargo ships never reached the city, they sunk to the bottom of the Danube.
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Oh, shall you write about a battle again too?
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Originally posted by Raider Raider wrote:

Anyway It is interesting that in the picture illustrating the battle you can see both element of the Hungarian coat of arms. Red and Silver stripes as the symbol of the Royal House (with additional fleur-de-lys of the Capet-Anjous) and the triple mound with the patriarchal cross as a symbol of the nobilitas, the country itself. The later is broken to sign the defeat.

Coat of arms of Hungary:

I'm interested in history of Szeklers and of knowledge of crests
Could you explain me what is a meaning of Erdely Crest  Sun and Moon
which is considered as sign of Szeklers?Where it come from?
And one more question  .In Poland lot of people have name Bator which means in hungarian brave . I have heard this not only name but also title
it is true?
 
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Oh, shall you write about a battle again too?
Well, I am planning to do it. The second battle of Kosovo Polje should be the next.
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I believe the Polish 'Bator' may be due to their fabled king Stefan Batory... he was a good and powerful king, easy to set him as an example to future generations... anyone can confirm this?
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Maybee that's the reason too, but bator means really brave.
 
It's very interesting that on some of the old asian gravings and paintings showing a ruler there are the moon and a star above them.
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Originally posted by Raider Raider wrote:

Unfortunately the medieval royal archive was destroyed. In 1541 when the Ottomans captured Buda, the sultan ordered to carry it to Constantinople. It was embarked, but the cargo ships never reached the city, they sunk to the bottom of the Danube.
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any info about the following battles is welcome
 
895 ? magyars + byzant against simeon of bulgaria
907 jul-aug 3 battles near bratislava castle
910 the first battle of lechfeld
 
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The siege of Edger in the 1540's ( year may be incorrect ) was also a notable battle of the nation of Hungary. The small Hungarian garrison succesfully held off a Turkish invasion and made the Ottomans fall back in a hasty retreat. The Hungarians were noted to pour boiling hot water and pitch at the enemy when they tried to ladder the walls.
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Originally posted by Darius of Parsa Darius of Parsa wrote:

The siege of Edger in the 1540's ( year may be incorrect ) was also a notable battle of the nation of Hungary. The small Hungarian garrison succesfully held off a Turkish invasion and made the Ottomans fall back in a hasty retreat. The Hungarians were noted to pour boiling hot water and pitch at the enemy when they tried to ladder the walls.
It is Eger. Yes, it is a famous siege due to the chronicle song written by Tinódi.
 
In 1552 in Eger castle 2100 men, women and children resisted an Ottoman army numbered 40-80 000 men.
 
The main effect of this victory was not strategical, but psichological. It showed that the Ottomans are not unstoppable. It was a notable role in the increase of moral. When Eger was sieged the second time in 1596 it was captured after a 6 six days siege. It was defended by international mercenaries, professional soldiers. So Eger became an emblem of national defence, a symbol of patrotic heroism and the superiority of a national army over an unmotivated mercenary force.
 
 
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Really this is an interesting topic... Tones of useful informations about one of the greatest nations in Europe - Hungarians... Too bad, this topic seem not to be active lately.
 
It was a nice thing for me to go through texts and views of both sides, Turks and Hungarians... especially because few of my direct ancestors were highly ranked comanders of Bosnian part of Ottoman troops. One of them even died in Hungary, where he was on duty as a governer of city Eger for a few years.
 
 


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There is also the battle of Posada in which the family of Basarab defeated an army with a 3:1 disadvantage. From my understanding most of the "Wallachian" troops had been peasants and ambushed the 30,000 strong Hungarian force killing almost the entire army to the man. Charles Robert, King of Hungary had to dress up in another man's clothes to run away while his knights died under hail of "stones and arrows."
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Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf Carpathian Wolf wrote:

There is also the battle of Posada in which the family of Basarab defeated an army with a 3:1 disadvantage. From my understanding most of the "Wallachian" troops had been peasants and ambushed the 30,000 strong Hungarian force killing almost the entire army to the man. Charles Robert, King of Hungary had to dress up in another man's clothes to run away while his knights died under hail of "stones and arrows."


Only Romanian sources claim this, your information is VERY doubtful. It's probably rewritten 10 times or more.
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Battle of Kenyermezo:

The battle  of KenyérmezÅ‘ happened in– Transylvania - (Romanian Bătălia Campo de la Pâinii) 1479 October 13 between the Hungarian army and marauding armies of Turks, who were also supported by wallachians. The site Kiralyfold the west side of Hunyad  county border, and it is located on the south coast of the Maros river. The location can be accurately measured because of the battle site, a been chapel built in the by the Transylvanian Voivod, and remains until the 20th of this century remain.
The battle for Hungary had the most significant win over Turks, who had been defeated, and  not tried the similar marauding acts.

 

Some sources, about the Turkish army is estimated at around 60 thousand people. Jan DÅ‚ugosz describes hundreds of thousands the army of Ali, while the letters of King Matthias only 43-45 thousand with the wallachians

 

Transylvania invading army, most of the irregular units, mainly akinjis and ruméliai spahi were also relatively small number of infantry consisted of asabs.  Many historians, however, likely that the Turks brought with them guns, but they are less powerful and may have a small cannon, which were carried in carts.

 

The Hungarian forces were joined with Vuk Brankovic (serbian voivid) a la number of Serb who led infantry and cavalry, 900 of these light calavriers were  directed by Jaksics Demeter and his brother. Near the sources, it was tens of thousands of Romanians, in reality, however, only be a few thousand helped the hungarian army.(both wallachian, and transylvanian romanians)Thier leader was Basarab the III. a banished ruler from Wallachia In addition, fighting in the army  Szeklers and Saxons (these were pedestrians only), and participated in the battle  the bishop of Transylvania.

The chiefs of teh army were Istvan Bathori, Pal Kinizsi (he could fight with 2 swords in his hands) and Brankovic. The total 12-15 thousand people had it, but can not be excluded, the number of twenty thousand people. But thirty thousand people, not more, that the Turks may have little more or the same number of Hungarians were opposed. 



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Egri Csillagok ( Eclipse of the crescent moon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA1DN8Z5Ak

its a short clip of a very great hungarian movie. The theme is the siege of Eger in 1552. 2000 hungarians defended the fortress against the outnumbered ottoman army.


about Eger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDSQW8jwWE0&feature=related




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