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    Posted: 06-Jul-2008 at 21:24
A new official trailer of the movie.
 
 


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Thanks for the link. Never new much about this guy but after watching the trailer I did a bunch of Internet research on him and discovered a lot of things about that time frame I knew nothing about. Whats the Russian view on this guy? A lot of western text seems to portrait him in a bad way or basically a complete failure. Is this true or are they over simplifying him?

I'll be watching this one for sure, with English subs of courseApprove
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yeah, can't wait for this movie. btw any news on the new Taras Bulba?
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Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

Thanks for the link. Never new much about this guy but after watching the trailer I did a bunch of Internet research on him and discovered a lot of things about that time frame I knew nothing about. Whats the Russian view on this guy? A lot of western text seems to portrait him in a bad way or basically a complete failure. Is this true or are they over simplifying him?

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This person was outstanding and very gifted. Besides being a naval warfare innovator (he is credited with a very few naval victories during the Russian-Japanese war, he also BTW was training US Navy high rank officers in naval mines warfare in 1917) he also was an important polar researcher who made an important contribution to the Arctic Ocean studies.
 
During the Soviet times he was of course labelled as "reactionist" and "butcher of the proletariat" but this of course has nothing to do with reality.
 
With very few resources he achieved quite a success during the Russian Civil war, but in the end he lost to the far superior Bolsheviks opponents. As it happened with the other leader of the White movement he was bertrayed by the foreign "allies." Particularly Kolchak was handed over to Bolsheviks by the Czech legionairs and then executed.
 
The view of him in Russia now is rather very positive.
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

yeah, can't wait for this movie. btw any news on the new Taras Bulba?
 
New name of the movie now is "Taras Bulba, Zaporozhskaya Sich" the release is still scheduled for the autumn of this year without addtional details.
 
There is also a new Ukrainian movie, "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" got to see it. Smile


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Originally posted by Sarmat12 Sarmat12 wrote:

 
There is also a new Ukrainian movie, "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" got to see it. Smile


oh really? is there already a trailer?
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Haven't found any yet. Unhappy  Will let let you know if there is any news about it.
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I watched Taras Bulba yesterday. It is a great movie, that is very close to the novel.   Thumbs Up The only thing I didn't like very much was the music.
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This film looks pretty frican sweet, looking forward to it. Will there be a north american release?
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oh its already out Shocked how stupid of me. Ill start searching for it.
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Well. But I have to say that since it's kind of very close to the original novel which was very far from objective; it has some anti-polish sentiments. Like the Poles are clearly the bad guys and Rusin Cossacks are heroes.
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Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

I watched Taras Bulba yesterday. It is a great movie, that is very close to the novel.   Thumbs Up The only thing I didn't like very much was the music.


that's good to know. Smile btw what do you think of the Admiral Kolchak movie?
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Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

Well. But I have to say that since it's kind of very close to the original novel which was very far from objective; it has some anti-polish sentiments. Like the Poles are clearly the bad guys and Rusin Cossacks are heroes.


The movie was quite decent, but this Russian cinema fetish of killing especially Polish winged Hussars was bit disturbing at times. LOL
Anyway I went to the movie to see the battles and the way the cossacks fought, but sadly in was a big letdown there. The battle scenes were more like Lord of the Rings ones.

Curiously every Cossack hero when dying praised Russian fighting spirit and orthodox faith - the general message = one people, one faith, the west are evil. Wink I haven't read Gogol's "Taras bulba" so I don't know how close the plot and script were to his work.

Anyway at least Polish actress was very hot. Clap


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The movie was quite decent, but this Russian cinema fetish of killing especially Polish winged Hussars was bit disturbing at times. LOL
Anyway I went to the movie to see the battles and the way the cossacks fought, but sadly in was a big letdown there. The battle scenes were more like Lord of the Rings ones.
 
 
Hmmm... Actually, the movie captured some particular details about the Cossack fighting style that Gogol put into the novel. Like the musket fire at will behind the wagons with some of the Cossack reloading the muskets and some only firing.
 
Individual battle scenes with Hussars killing were also based on the novel, which I'm stressing again was not very objective.

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Curiously every Cossack hero when dying praised Russian fighting spirit and orthodox faith - the general message = one people, one faith, the west are evil. Wink I haven't read Gogol's "Taras bulba" so I don't know how close the plot and script were to his work.
 
That is exactly the message of Gogol, who BTW was a Russian nationalist. But, I can't actually say that there was something too "anti Western" in the movie. And the line of Andrii's love with with a Polish girl was suggesting some controversy in my opinion.




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that's good to know. Smile btw what do you think of the Admiral Kolchak movie?
 
"Kolchak" was OK, but not perfect. The best scenes in the movie were the navel battles with the German ships in opening part.
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yeah i watched that on youtube already...
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Actually the novel had two editions. The very first edition was very "Ukrainian." However, later Gogol "upgraded" with many elements of the Russian nationalism which gave it a very distinct flavor.

Most of the editions of the novel that have been published are the the second edition copies.
 
The movie was also based on the second "Russian" edition.
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i'd like to see the first draft if it is available. i've read the popular version and it was indeed very nationalistic. what i like about the old Hollywood adaption is that the Russian nationalist parts were cut and focused on the love story and Cossack culture, even though not perfectly accurate.
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Well, both editions are actually quite similar, if you take from the last edition all the paragraphs about the Russian spirit and the greateness of the Russian Tsar etc.
The rest is the same including the anti-Polish sentiment. Other than that, only a few scenes were slightly revised without substantial changes in the meaning.
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