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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


The East Asian forum disagrees.
China has has lots of buisness in Vietnam and dominated vietnam during the Early Han, Late Han, Three Kingdoms, Tang, Yuan, and Ming dynasties. If it weren't for the fact that the Vietnamese were too powerful of the Qing, all of modern china would consider it a "lost province", it certainly has been in Chinese control more often than Tibet or Mongolia. It remains to be seen what the PRC will do - they have already invaded once.


Nam Viet may have always been under China's rulership for most of ancient times but what country do you know that has been dominated and would't want independence . Three kingdoms of Goguryeo it has been a little bit more succesful in fending of the Chinese in ancient history,but we'll agree they have not  always had peaceful relations in history.

In the Sino-Vietnam War both Vietnam could of chose to prolong the conflict but chose not to go on any further.Vietnam knows that China is leaning over them but Vietnamese have no choice,because the PRC have are the biggest support in geopolitical terms and communist relations.,they are their biggest barricade from Western Political Hegemony.

Lets not say that Vietnam enjoys China's dominance.Vietnam  can enter a 16 Word Guideline agreement with China having a sense of pride,because they went to war with one of world's most powerful countries and neither have never once called defeat.If China wanted to they could of invaded after the collapse of the Soviet Union but the had PLA little ability with the drainage of communications ,scarce rations,and  Viets scorch earth  policy.The Hoa have dwelled in China in the past and have problems up until recently,mainly due to political shifting.




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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British. 

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Iran and Turkey. They used to be bitter enemies, but they have been living peacefully for last two hundred years.
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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British.

Oh, sorry, only the Americans are for burning york
Quote Iran and Turkey. They used to be bitter enemies, but they have been living peacefully for last two hundred years.

Rolling Eyes Greece and Persia are doing pretty well too, and the Romans haven't fought the Germans for over 60 years now either.
Iran collapsed and then Turkey collapsed. That doesn't count.

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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Oh, sorry, only the Americans are for burning york

And the British for burning Washington. I was always impressed by the First Lady's dignity in that affair.

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.

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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:



Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:


the kiwis try and be different, they're sensitive like Canadians that get mistaken for americans

Heck, even Americans don't want to be mistaken for Americans! That's why all the backpacking students get packs with a Canadian flag when they do the Europe thing.




Funny, I don't have to do that. Whenever I go to Europe the first question I am asked, 90% of the time, is, "Are you Canadian!" I am not ashamed of being American but sometimes in order to avoid a negative response I would say yes. Even here people ask me a lot if I am Canadian and the answer is in my other life I was- LOL In Greece most of the time they thought I was European but sadly not Greek but German. In Turkey they often thought I was either; Canadian German or Turkish but once in a while American.
I see tons or heaps of Canadian snowbirds down here in southern Arizona who come down for the winter. Most of them come down in large RV vehicles and tour. I see them but I rarely have interaction with them and most are 60/70+++ crowd. Above the RV camp are three poles with an American, Arizona and Canadian flag flying but the American flag is higher than the other two. The Canadians who do come down here seem polite and respectful but this part of our country tends to be conservative and very patriotic. They are still foriegners to us down here but good for the economy and when I enter Canada I am also a foriegner. I was in BC, Canada last summer.

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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile
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Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

All we did was demolish their land fronts against us, at Battle of Queenston Heights, at the Siege of Detroit, and at Crysler's Farm.
 
Crysler's Farm? Was that near Detroit? Really? Smile

No, three different fronts. Niagara, Detroit River crossing, and the St. Lawrence corridor (respectively).

I should say that the Detroit front was not really demolished per se ... Hull's surrender was humiliating and costly, but the US was able to regroup and recapture Detroit and then mount a series of succesful attacks/raids as far in as Chatham, but ultimately did not possess the men or material to sustain a campaign and retired back to Detroit. If Hull had not surrendered, they may have been able to sustain a campaign in that sector, so it did end the threat of conquest from that vector.

The few offensive campaigns we participated in (eg down around Plattsburgh etc) generally went badly, because we had lost Brock (genius) at Queenston Heights and the offensive campaigns were organized by Prevost (idiot).



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I suppose I must introduce the Scotland/England thing here.

The English, (and their predecessors) have been historically not very nice to the inhabitants of Scotland.

Historically, we have been not very nice right back at them.

Don't worry though we've managed to nearly civilise the poor (English) buggers.


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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Quote Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA.

Except you did burn each others capitals in the 1812 war. English Canada was founded solely because of bad relations with the rebel USA.

Hey hey! We are not barbarians. Canada had nothing to do with burning Washington, that was the British. 

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue
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Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

So, they came from Canada, so we did burn Washington. As for the barbarian part, war is not a party; we all get "barbaric".Tongue

There were no Canadian forces involved in the attack on Washington whatsoever. They were British overseas forces who made a landing on the coast. No Canadian forces ever penetrated that far - we got into Ohio and parts of New York, Vermont etc but not that far south.

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Sorry Edgewaters, i am from a military family, I tend to get edgy bout these topics. Tongue I know your rite, but I still like to believe that Canadians burnt the city, not the Brits. 
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Well ... we did burn Buffalo down, after the Americans burned down Newark. 
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The United States and....

The United States and, uh....

F***.

The United States and the few hundred remaining peoples of Easter Island, as far as I know we haven't offered them a McDonald's or "democracy" yet.
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Since Mexican- US wars we have not been on the best terms with Mexico and some dream of retaking their former territories but most Mexican I know here do not agree with that. I would love to go down to see the inland see between the mainland of Mexico and the Baja peninsula but going down there is risky, although, I might go with a group to see Casa Grandes next Spring- The Hohokham ruins. It will be fun and once I am down there I really enjoy the people. I spent almost three months in Mazatlan, Mexico and made some friends there. Reading "War of a Thousand Deserts" is teaching me so much about the native Ameircan relations with the Spanish and later the Mexicans. Brian Delay is the author!
My hope is someday these drug wars will end and it will become safer to enter Mexico but I do not count on that happening soon.
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Germany and France have pretty much good relationship since 1945.
 
Iceland has no neighbours. LOL
 
Spain and Portugal perhaps?
 
Austria and Hungary.
 
Belgium and France
 
Lichtenstein, Switserland and Austria
 
 
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I'm sure Romanians have a lot of sympathy for the Serbs, although in recent years Romania has been forced by its NATO allegiance to allow the use of its air space for strikes against Serbia. Given that, I'm not sure how friendly Serbs are towards Romanians...

Spain and Portugal have been on officially friendly terms for a long time, but there is no real friendship there. The Portuguese are quite touchy when they talk about anything Spanish. They still harbour resent over the loss of colonies when they regained independence after the period of common rule (under Philip II and III of Spain, named Philip I and II of Portugal). It's not hostility, but neither is it a sense of friendship.
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Would the Irish and Scots count?

The Vatican & the Italian state.

Spain and Portugal.

US and Canada.

Australia & N.Z.

Liechtenstein with Switzerland and Austria.

Monaco & France.
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Well, the Vatican and the Italian state have had some pretty strained relations in the beginning (in the 19th century, that is).
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Originally posted by AL_C0 AL_C0 wrote:

I am curious what the Spanish and Portuguese think of each other... i imagine that there are many cases of cross border raids on chicken coops which may inevitably lead to war....


Apart from fantastical intentions of Francisco Franco during the Second World War, there has never been much belligerence between Portugal and Spain after Portugal broke off from Spain in the 17th century.  I know that Portugal did build a number of strong castles along the Spanish border, indicating that there was some threat of invasion, and of course Wellington used Portugal as his means of getting into Spain, but apart from that the history of Portuguese-Spanish relations has more or less been stable.
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