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    Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 12:16
Historically, neighboring states throughout the world more often than not are at each other's throats simply due to the fact that they're always fighting each other over vital resources, such as land, water, oil, etc.

Name countries that have historically always gotten along, or even generally so.
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Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.
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Originally posted by TranHungDao TranHungDao wrote:


Name countries that have historically always gotten along, or even generally so.

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).


Nonsense, we Scandinavians have always gotten along perfectly. Sure there has been the occasional war, but those were mainly just to pass the time in between drinking and listening to ABBA.
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Question Regi
 
Is Finland included? What about Denmark, I always considered it the bad boy of the North (too many wars to be Scandinavian).
 
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).


Nonsense, we Scandinavians have always gotten along perfectly. Sure there has been the occasional war, but those were mainly just to pass the time in between drinking and listening to ABBA.
 
Well not exactly - I remember back in the 80's, the swedish prime minister Olof Palme declared (obvious mistake) that the little Danish island of Hesselø was Swedish.
 
Big story in the news - and when a danish journalist asked the danish prime minister what we could do about it, the PM jokingly said "We will defend what is ours - even by military force".   
Oh boy - the Swedish Minister of Defence (no humour what so ever) didn't think that was funny... big crisis.... LOL
 
Other than that, yes, we usually get along just fine.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

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Is Finland included? What about Denmark, I always considered it the bad boy of the North (too many wars to be Scandinavian).


Whether or not you include Finland depends on your criteria. Geographically it makes sense to include Finland, culturally it is also similar to the rest of Scandinavia, but the language is of another world entirely (Finno-Ugric) and the region was under Russian overlordship for over a century.

Denmark the bad boy? Maybe in the middle ages, but from 1500s onwards Sweden emerged as the most aggressive imperialist in the north, invading Denmark, Norway, Germany, Poland, Russia and the Baltic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire

The Swedes weren't entirely peaceful in the middle ages either. The Swedes launched three presumed crusades to Finland, which conquered the area and made sure it remained Swedish for some 600 years. There were also quite a few campaigns directed at Novgorod, but these failed to produce lasting results.

Denmark too was expansionist in the middle ages, particularly in the Baltic and northern Germany, but nothing comparable to what the Swedes achieved. You probably need to go as far back as the 11th century and Canute the Great's empire (Denmark, Norway, England and parts of Sweden) to find Denmark as the undisputed Scandinavian "bad boy".


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:


Always is a long time. I can't think of any example stretching for more than a century or two (excepting miniature states, that is).

Ok, if the period of peace and harmony goes on for 200-300 years, then its worth mentioning.  (I know, I know.  I'm still being arbitrary here.)

The Swiss have been neutral for 500 years, no?
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VikingYeahhh - we are the bad boys....   VikingWink
 
Just to complete Regimunds explanation - a couple of pointers...
 
After the era of the Valdemars, 13'th century, Denmark had a long row of bad rulers who made an even longer row of bad decisions. 
The Danish areas in today's south Sweden were lost in 1658, and Norway was transferred from the Danish to the Swedish crown in 1814.
To tease our Scandinavian brothers a bit, you could say that they have been Danish for a much longer time than Norwegian or Swedish.
 
Indeed - bad boys Wink
 
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:


Denmark the bad boy? Maybe in the middle ages, but from 1500s onwards Sweden emerged as the most aggressive imperialist in the north, invading Denmark, Norway, Germany, Poland, Russia and the Baltic:


Bah, the Danes started 6 out of 8 Dano-Swedish wars starting with the Nordic Seven Years War. Wink

But yes, Sweden was an aggressive militaristic state during most of the 17th century.

It is true that for the past 200 years peace has reigned in Scandinavia though, and the nations have been mostly friendly towards each other (and for the past 150 or so, extremely friendly) - but this is quite an exception in the 1000+ year history of the three Scandinavian states.



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The elite was either Danish or Danified Norwegians and the official language was Danish, but to go from there to saying the entire population was Danish is a stretch. Tongue Until the rise of nationalism the average Norwegian barely knew what he was beyond belonging to a certain family and local community.

In any case Danish-ruled is the correct term here, for a period of 400 years no less. Personally I think it's a shame we aren't still ruled from Copenhagen as I'm quite pleased with how Denmark is governed and less pleased with the politicians of my own country.
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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

 
Well not exactly - I remember back in the 80's, the swedish prime minister Olof Palme declared (obvious mistake) that the little Danish island of Hesselø was Swedish.
 
Big story in the news - and when a danish journalist asked the danish prime minister what we could do about it, the PM jokingly said "We will defend what is ours - even by military force".   
Oh boy - the Swedish Minister of Defence (no humour what so ever) didn't think that was funny... big crisis.... LOL
 

I had never heard of that incident. Found a file, was an interesting read. Apparently it was due to Danes drilling after oil on what the Swedes thought was Swedish waters, arguing that the border of the Danish territorial waters should be decided taking only the mainland in consideration and not the small islands (while at the same time arguing the opposite with a border dispute with Sovjet in the Baltic sea, something the Finns had a great time poking fun at). Both sides embarrased themselves, but eventually no oil was found and the sea could be divided into two equal parts without problems! LOL


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..and we all thought you guys were all progressive, pragmatic socialists making affordable furniture, very safe cars and hunting the odd elk to pass 18 hr days away.

 Arent Norwegians and danish cut from the same cloth anyway?
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Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA. Tourist from both Canada and the USA cross borders all the time. One BIG thing we have in common, both nations were once British. Tongue Well Canada is still more British than the States are, but hey, my nations government is still loyal to the crown.  
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Australia and New Zealand make a stellar example. Caring and sharing with one another since European colonisation, if there were ever an example of fraternity in statehood it would be between these two.

They are only neighbours about as much as, say, Ireland and Jamaica though. Two thousand miles apart I think?

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Originally posted by The Canadian Guy The Canadian Guy wrote:

Canada and the USA get alone just fine, even though Canada's only true neighbor is the USA. Tourist from both Canada and the USA cross borders all the time. One BIG thing we have in common, both nations were once British. Tongue Well Canada is still more British than the States are, but hey, my nations government is still loyal to the crown.  


I agree and the only problem I had crossing the border into BC or Alberta, Canda was coming back- US Customs. They never gave me a real hard time but they drill you more with questions than the Canadians. The only concern the Canadians had were guns but I kept my AK-47 well concealed- NOT!!

I see more Canadians down here in Arizona than in Spokane, Washington only two hours south of the border. Most pass on through with their RV's but a few buy homes and stay the winter. Can an American buy property in Canada? I am sure you can but just wondering? I have considered this for a retreat in the summer.

There is a large RV camp not far from me and they were flying a US, Arizona and Canadian flags side by side but the US flag was a bit higher. Funny, I always saw US/Canadian flags flying side by side all the way from Spokane to the border. But, once I got to the other side I did not see this- Canadians why??? Do you dislike our flag? I have been all over southern Alberta and BC and never saw this, only Canadian flags flying alone. The Canadians I meet here are friendly but then again they are guests in a foreign country and it is good to see them. I have a Canadian accent and I say AAA instead of Huh anyway.


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Were not a patriotic nation. We have a dislike for nationalism and patriotism. If you go to other regions of Canada, the USA flag is common next to ours. We are not a military nation either, yet we are usually one of the first nation to fight.  Funny that thought, when i go down south of the border, I never see any Canadian flags. I find that now ironic to your post eaglecap. LOL
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