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    Posted: 11-Jun-2009 at 20:58
Some interesting photos: http://www.irna.ir/View/FullStory/Photo/?NewsId=466392
 
Can these be compared?
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

Can these be compared?
 
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Obviously they can be compared. (The better question is whether they can be likened.)
 
But you can produce similar photographs of any occupying force anywhere at any time. At least since photography was invented: before then you have to rely on painters like Goya.
 
What is an interesting difference about the Nazi pictures is that they are not of an occupying force, and the people oppressed were not and had not been fighting anyone.
 
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How do you know those pictures are not from Nazi occupied lands such as Poland, Czech., Russia etc?
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What about their opponents? Were/are both of them terrorists? Did/do they believe the aggressive nation should be wiped out of existence? In fact I want to know their opponents had/have much more dangerous ideology too?!
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You can compare if you want, but Jews never retaliated the Nazis. 
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

How do you know those pictures are not from Nazi occupied lands such as Poland, Czech., Russia etc?
 
Good point. I rather jumped to the conclusion they were of Jews, and thought along similar lines to Suren.
 
Doesn't make any difference to my overall point though. Such pictures can be found of any occupying forces anywhere.


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Of course the pictures can be compared, as gcle2003 already noted. Once a comparison is made we create our personal conclusions too. Being that this thread was created for a reason we also take that information into consideration. Smile
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Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Cyrus Shahmiri wrote:

What about their opponents? Were/are both of them terrorists? Did/do they believe the aggressive nation should be wiped out of existence? In fact I want to know their opponents had/have much more dangerous ideology too?!


Some people think conquest and occupation is perfectly fine and is what the civilised do, others think it is backwards and barabaric.

It's a matter of perspective isn't it? If you want to conquer/ethnically cleanse lands and the indigenous inhabitants of those lands resist you, or others you scapegoat, then they are the enemy and they can be branded terrorists or whatever.  For most people, it's very difficult to try and view things objectively based on the bad information and manipulation propagated by both sides.

Examples in modern history: extermination of the American Indians and the indigenous Australians; the oppression and forceful expulsion of native Palestinians; the genocides of the Jews and the Armenians. In each instance there were and are clearly two sides to the story with the prevailing view of the oppressors often being a sense of entitlement over their victims which helps them rationalise their brutal barbarity.



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