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    Posted: 30-Mar-2009 at 20:17
Originally posted by shugo

Temujin name one general!
 
Happen to know the death rate and average lifespan in the gulags?
 
sorry but to say this a myth is like saying there is no holocaust.


i didn't said people didn't died in Gulags but do you know what a Gulag is in the first place? and don't compare simple peons to generals and aircraft designers. one of the famous russian aircraft designers also was in a Gulag. i can't remember either the name of the General(s) nor the aircraft designer but maybe other members can contribute those
 
Never wondered why so many German women got raped at the end of WW2?


that's got nothign to do with Soviet leadership at all...
 
but ok I get  it you're a leftist version of Williamson ;) your location already hinted at that ;)


i seriously doubt you have a clue where i come from and it's really stupid to judge other persons based on their location...
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Originally posted by shugo

It managed to beat back on its own, because the Germans weren't getting supplies, because their industries were getting bombed. I keep telling you people, these things are connected and you keep leaving out the fact that the Americans sens planes too, which was important in the chain of events.

This was in 1942, before the bombing campaign had started to find its feet. The Americans in particular took quite a while to work out how to successfully carry out their daylight raids (the British, having settled on night bombing, had an easier time of it), and weren't yet doing much damage.

Originally posted by shugo

Move the British out of Egypt and they'll be fighting in the desert (more damage to their already dismal tanks) and they would be the ones out of resupplies.

Some of the British tanks were dismal, others (like the Matilda II) were actually quite good. Either way, Rommel couldn't go around Egypt. Even if he had been more successful than he was, he would still have eventually had to attack Egypt and face the enormous disparity in numbers.

Originally posted by shugo

"I don't see much likelyhood that the Japanese would have chosen a northern push over a southern one."

Look I don't see that happening either and i agree with you on that, but that's not the point, it is what would have been necessary to keep the U.S. out of the war, which is what we are assuming.

In my view, the only alternative under which the Japanese would have done better than in reality would be if they managed to ake the British and French territories in Asia without drawing a direct reprisal from the US. If they had gone north again they likely would have just been crushed again. Any army sent to Siberia would have been more useful in China, fighting an enemy they could actually beat.

Originally posted by shugo

http://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/EARS/Hallionpapers/battleofbritainsep98.htm

you do the math. particularly look at table 2. Leave out the american supplies in the battle of britain.

Since this is referring to things that happened before the America's entry into the war, I don't see how it supports your argument that the whole conflict turned on that event. If anything, it supports the argument that, if it wasn't attacked, the US didn't really have to officially join the war at all.

Now should you decide to respond to this, I would appreciate your showing at least a basic level of civility by keeping any judgements about me that you're harbouring to yourself.

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The german plan was going very well, because they were scared of a two front war.  They had taken on the allies in the west and won.  Britain (far as they were concerned) was nothing more than a mopping-up operation.  Now, the germans knew that Japan wanted to have a go at Russia, and, because the german's whole outlook on strategy (due to Germany's geographical position) was directed towards avoiding wars on two fronts, invaded Russia on the basis that because germany was allied with japan, the japanese would attack Russia from the east.  And thus Russia would be fighting on two fronts. And, apart from this intelligence from Tokyo from this Serge chap, Stalin would have had to keep guarding the East.  The divisions that relieved Moscow would have had to stay in the east.  The germans would probably have won at Moscow.

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