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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maziar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2006 at 20:34
Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

Originally posted by Maziar Maziar wrote:

this is the way how these people think...
 
Generalization is rather too easy for everyone.
 
This is not a generalization. I didn't say every Muslim thinks like that, i said such people thinks that way.
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Originally posted by morticia morticia wrote:

Originally posted by Vivek Sharma Vivek Sharma wrote:

I support both Hisbolla & HerBolla  



    I support HerBolla first!


I would do that too, if given a preference. The reson being that HerBolla would be more faithfull & will not forget the support.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OSMANLI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2006 at 07:24

Morticia how exactly did you get the idea that women are excluded from the mosque?

I have already told you that they have room for both males and females.

If women are excluded from the men, then you can just as easily say that the men are excluded from the women. It works both ways because both are there doing the same thing (praying).

 
Maziar, thanks (i guess Confused) for telling us a bit about Persian culture regarding the both genders and contraception. However this maybe a Persian tradition but do not get it mixed up with Islam.

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Well lets not take word by word. The spirit of the discussion is that these women are discriminated against. I have heard of a HUDOOD law in Pakistan where a raped women has to furnish four male eye witnesses to prove her rape, who should explicitly say that they saw this women being raped while these four gentleman stayed there enjoying a porno movie. 

If she does'nt proveide this four eyewitnesses, she becomes the accused, If the men say they saw her being raped, they would be asked , why they did'nt help her ?

DO you get a clear idea of this tragic situation for the rape victim ?
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O here we go again, once again Vivek is bashing Pakistan. The spirit of the topic is not about the discrimination of women but it started off as praising Muslim women.
Also Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia or any other 'Muslim' state is not Islam nor is it anyway near its rulings.
 
Vivek why dont you mention that it is the Indian culture which is the reason for this cultural oppresion of women in Pakistan?
 
Please people if you dont know enough about Islam then dont fill this topic about rumours or what this or that country has done.
 
Those that actually want to know the truth about gender equity in Islan then please read the following e-book by Jamal al-Badawi Phd:
 

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Originally posted by OSMANLI OSMANLI wrote:

Maziar, thanks (i guess Confused) for telling us a bit about Persian culture regarding the both genders and contraception. However this maybe a Persian tradition but do not get it mixed up with Islam.

 
Sorry osmanly that was in Germany, and the muslim pupile i am talking about was from Syria.


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Originally posted by Kapikulu Kapikulu wrote:

When I met a Serbian girl living in Switzerland, when she met me and asked where I was from,I said Turkey and first sentence was that: "You had cut my ancestors' heads"...Now what a prejudice that girl has...But does every Serb have to be like that? Definitely not...


Well, it is true, but for her to be angry with you because of this ancient incident, is nonsense.
    
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Originally posted by OSMANLI OSMANLI wrote:

O here we go again, once again Vivek is bashing Pakistan. The spirit of the topic is not about the discrimination of women but it started off as praising Muslim women.
Also Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia or any other 'Muslim' state is not Islam nor is it anyway near its rulings.
 
Vivek why dont you mention that it is the Indian culture which is the reason for this cultural oppresion of women in Pakistan?
 
Please people if you dont know enough about Islam then dont fill this topic about rumours or what this or that country has done.
 
Those that actually want to know the truth about gender equity in Islan then please read the following e-book by Jamal al-Badawi Phd:
 


Dear, I don't now why you get this feeling on perfectly logical progression of posts or how do you claim that this is off topic.

If there is something that is not good, we should admit it & not try to hide behind pseudo masks or theories. You say I am bashing somebody wihtout commenting on the Hudood law which is what prompted your post. Does'nt the hudood law exist ? Do you wish to say my thinking is hypothetical.

I never shy away from admitting the weaknesses of ourselves. In fact I had started a thresd titled & Highlighting the absence of a ferocious military culture in India. I am a fervent opposer of the caste system in India, both in Hindus as well as muslims.

I had criticised sati, I am against the practice of Jauhar in which tens of thousands of women & children are made to committ sucide in India at a go, at a single place.

Osman, You should appreciate that nobody is perfect. If there is something bad, admit it. And if bad or adverse things happen to be associated with a particular word or words again & again, it's not anybody's fault.

And another thing is what you might consider as good may be considered as bad by others. for example keeping women in Burkhas may be considered good by muslim men, but by all liberatd women all over the developed world, it would be considered a violation of the huma  rights of women. Similiar is the case of Hudood law, which may be a perfect law for some Muslims. but for most developed / civilised people, it will be a case of gross injustice & attroicity on women to go through such a inhuman tyranny.

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Maziar please refer back to my last post.
 
Vivek, many women in the "developed" world are coming into the fold of Islam (freely may i add) and becoming more practising (inc. their dress) then those born into Muslim families.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Also you have made it painfully obvious with your history of comments that you do not like Pakistan and are always in/directly attacking Pakistan. As i mentioned in my post prior if you REALLY want to know the truth read the ebook in my last post.


Edited by OSMANLI - 21-Sep-2006 at 04:47

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Originally posted by Rabdrake Rabdrake wrote:

 I am a Lesbian Pop historian. I would love to contribute in such a forum


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     After millennia of male domination, it terrifies us to imagine a world where over 3 billion females might realize their potential.  In the struggle against the absolute hegemony that males have over the major religions, it is still nearly impossible to overcome the world held view of male superiorly. As a white man over sixty, I can state that what is wrong with the United States is that there are too many white men over fifty in power. The only way a woman can get to be in power is if she trumpets the anti-choice, male superiority party line. 
 
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     I  am neither Israeli nor Jewish. My challenge is: please find comparable positive images of women, particular woman to woman, anywhere else. Politics aside, it is obvious that Israel is doing some thing right.  
 
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Let's see. You want us to turn AE forumers into a bunch of Lezbonese feelgood fighters? Could we think about that for a minute. Ermm "Oh...maybe...naw...well..nope...but...can't do it." Nice try though. Maybe we could spam your blog like you are doing here. What the world needs is a lot more forum protocola and a lot less spam-ola! Here's where I get to tell you to - go back to your commune in San Franhollah.


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Quote Politics aside, it is obvious that Israel is doing some thing right.  [Politics aside, it is obvious that Israel is doing some thing right.  
I wouldn't go that far.
 
 
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Originally posted by Rabdrake Rabdrake wrote:

I am a Lesbian Pop historian; I would love to contribute in such a forum


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