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    Posted: 11-Aug-2005 at 02:04
Thanks! I'll post more links. too...
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I added some zeybeks and Turkish folk songs to the previous list by Cengiz Özkan (The ones written with capitals). There are better examples but I couldn't find them yet...

http://dc1.4shared.com/dir/26654/bebbca49

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Some knowledge about zeybeks:

Folkdances, Costumes and Musical Instruments of Izmir

Zeybek folkdanceZeybek Dances (a dance of western Anatolia or its music) appear to our minds whenever Western Anatolian Folk Dances especially of Izmir, Aydin, Denizli, Balikesir and Mugla are told.

Zeybek dances are various about 150 types, however they can be gathered into two main classifications.

1) Slow Zeybek
2) Yörük Zeybek ( Fast Zeybek)

In Izmir Zeybek Dances that are to be danced whether single or with a group, display the Efe’s and Zeybek’s self-assurances, mainly braveness and their challenges. The Zeybek’s who show braveness and honestly with all their excitement are a symbol of dignity and valor.

Some of the Zeybek dances of Izmir and its surroundings are stated below: Arpazli, Harmandali, Kordon, Bergama, Dagli, Kasikçi Koca Arap, Elifoglu, Iki parmak, Sogukkuyu , Süslü, Jandarma, Yunt daglari, Bakirli, Kasnak, Hantuman, Bas bas, Sabahin Seher Vakti, Ötme Bülbülüm, Yagdi yagmur, Çakici, Ince Mehmet, Karsilama, Kozak, Somali, Yandir, Yörük Ali, Minarede Ezan Var, Sümbül Bahçesinde Karanfili, Kemeralti Zeybekleri.

Musical instruments:

The musical instruments that are used in Zeybek dances are clarnet and drum in the open areas, ‘’baglama’’ (a plucked instrument with 3 double strings and a long neck) is used in the closed areas. The double clarnet is traditional while the first clarnet plays the melody the other one accompanies it.

Costumes:

The costumes of Efe and Zeybek are told below.

Efe wear a deddish helmet which is made of broadcloth and this helmet called ‘’Kabalak’’. Efe tie ‘’Posu’’ that the young girls embroidered around their helmets. The blue shalwar (baggy trousers) that Efe wear are called ‘’Çasir Menevrek‘’. These shalwars’ length extends to the knee-caps and they are open in both winter and summer. The flank side of these ‘’Çasir Menevreks’’ are black-silk caftan (robe). They wear the tassels that is called ‘’Koza’’ and they are long. This tassed must be 100 drachma (400th part of an okka). If the jackets that the Efe wear have sleeves, this type is called ‘’Cepken’’ and if not, then it is called ‘’Çamadan’’. These are made of blue or dark-blue broad-cloth and they are embroidered with the black-silk caftan with various motifs and Zeybeks wear silver-thread cepkens. The mintan with thin round disks and without color is called ‘’Alakye’’, is worn to the waist and leather weapon case which is tied to it. In this weapon case ‘’Kulakli Yatagan Knife’’ takes place.

Besides a handkerchief a silver tobacco case, an amber cigarette holder and two okkas of clean wool-shorn is used in case of an injury and from flank side of the weapon-case, an iron stick that is called ‘’mese’’ leans over. He uses his knife to sharpen this Pala or to defend himself in case of a confrontation against agony. Two Efe never shoot each other, because this signifies ‘’cowardness’’.

Efe wear ‘’Pazubent’’ that is covered with silver to their arms, an ‘’enam’’ and a silver ‘’hamay’’ lean over on their breasts. Pazubent is worn from the childhood to the end of life. Efe’s weapons are silver reposs’e work that is embroidered with a silver reposs’e. They wear cross-cartridges called ‘’Karlilik’’on their breasts. The embroidered boots that Efe wear are called ‘’Kayalik’’ only Efe wear them. Zeybeks and infants wear ‘’Çariksi’’ (slippers). Both in winter and summer the woll socks are worn and knee-pad that is called ‘’Kepmen’’ are worn on it. The daggers which are put ‘’Kepmen’’ are used in dances. Efe and Zeybek are distinguished from each other with the difference in their mintans; Efe’s mintan’s are not buttoned up, their breasts are seen.


Meanings of the figures in Zeybek:

Some differences are seen in their figures of walking, turning, rising, knee-downing and holding up their arms (the walking with or without richochets) and turnings in the Zeybek plays display Zeybek’s self-assurance, honesty, braveness and challenging.


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Another zeybek by Muammer Ketencoglu:

Su Ýzmir'den çekirdeksiz nar gelir

Seedless pomegranate comes from Smyrna...

http://www.muammerketencoglu.com/audio/mp3/zeybek_demo2.zip



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A clip of a very nice zeybek:

http://www.muammerketencoglu.com/video/Muammer%20Ketencoglu% 20-%20Fatmam_17348.mpg

It says: Oh my Fatma, my life, my rose Fatma

              I don't add water to my raki (a hard Turkish drink with alcohol)

              If you add, I won't drink it

             but I'll never leave you my Fatma

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Another wonderful zeybek by Muammer Ketencoglu...

Entarisi damgalý (Her dress stamped)...

http://www.muammerketencoglu.com/audio/mp3/zeybek_demo3.zip

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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Hidden Face Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Aug-2005 at 19:10

Guys. Thank you very very much. I listened all posted mp3. both greek, turkish, ive liked it.

However, zeibekiko has quite balkans music sound. so I havent feel eastern soul in zeibekiko. I am not musician, but i think that zeibekiko has more "harmonic structure" than anatolian music sound and anatolian music has more "melodic structure" than zeibekiko.

btw: I think that byzantine music has eastern soul.

a sample.

http://dl3.rapidshare.de/files/3890134/28878942/eastern_soul .mp3

 



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Well the first of these last songs you gave links to, the first is a classical Smyrneiko style, the second is a HasapoServiko (not sure if the Serbs have a similar rythm and we adopted it and from that we named it so).

From your third link I found the Telgrafin Telleri song really interesting. While it starts out as a Pontian song/rythm "ekaeken to Tsampasin" it makes a quick 'turn' in it's rythm to a well known song which is actually a syrto which is a clearly an ancient Aegean dance style/rythm.
It seems influence has gone both ways.
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Another interesting song is "Uskudara gider iken". I read somewhere that it was adapted from a Scottish march when the British navy came to visit Istanbul...

Also attention to bakmýyor cesmisiyah, please. It was sung by Hamiyet Yuceses. Her surname means "great voice". You will see how it fits her when you hear her "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah"s! 

 



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A clip that shows how to dance a very old zeybek from Ýzmir/Smyrna:

Harmandali:http://dc1.4shared.com/account/file.jsp?id=337909



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Kotumeyil, look at that.

http://dl4.rapidshare.de/files/4735676/78965545/1._yannis_ta ssios_-_ti_patheno.mp3

That song is not zeybek, but very close to anatolian music style. Very interesting.

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Thanks, The Turk!
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It sounds like middle Anatolian, maybe from Cappadocia... In the last part of it there's also some south-eastern taste... 

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I found an interesting zeybek instruction video, it's not a widespread style from the Aydin-Bozdogan region, Bozdogan Serenler Zeybegi:

http://rapidshare.de/files/11030058/serenler_0001.wmv.html

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kotumeyil ,thankyou for this thread.

I have developed a real taste for this stuff but have yet to learn allot about the 'schools' or anything technical.

even better i now know that there is a turkish equivilant.


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where is this "Bozdogan Serenler Zeybegi" from?
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It's from a county of Aydin-Bozdogan. There was something as Aidiniko in Greek as well, wasn't it?
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A great Rebetiko and Amane singer is Stratos Payoumtzis. I have many Rembetika CD's here, it is my favourite Greek genre, and by that I mean pre-post-War (if that makes sense).

Manolis Chiotis unfortunately, mucked things up when he introduced the four-chord bouzouki in the immediate post-war era and the fact that he also electrified the bouzouki. This meant that rembetika lost tehir Eastern (cf Turkish) flavour and became wholly European with a cheapened Turkish sound. Still, even in the 50s and 60s there were some good Greek rembetika, but it was not the classic sound any longer (I am one the purists).

I am curious, in Turkey, do the men still dance zeimbekiko alone? That's how it used to be in Greece too. Now women also get up to dance it...  (and no, I am not sexist)

One more question for our Turkish friends: Is the old style or rembetika (sorry for any incorrect spelling) still palyed in Turkiye? Is the master still in the centre in the teke or hamam?

I will have more to post on this issue as time goes on.


Glad to see that people like Markos Vamvakaris here! My favourite Rembeti too. Anyone here like Anestis Delias and Markos Melkon?
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Originally posted by Origen

I am curious, in Turkey, do the men still dance zeimbekiko alone? That's how it used to be in Greece too. Now women also get up to dance it...  (and no, I am not sexist)

There are male and female zeybeks and some new coreographies include both in folk dance groups. However, in its natural form the rhytm determines the sex of the dancer. Mostly the slower ones with a courageous air are danced by only males.

One more question for our Turkish friends: Is the old style or rembetika (sorry for any incorrect spelling) still palyed in Turkiye? Is the master still in the centre in the teke or hamam?

It is sad that also here in Turkey the music is dominated by market anymore. The tekkes and hamams are part of old fashion now. You can still find such playing bands in Istanbul but though they are some degenerated (also there are a few people who dedicately play them in meyhanes (raki and wine houses).

Also there's a dedicated man called Muammer Ketencoglu, who plays old zeybeks of Anatolia as well as Balcan music.This is his  perfect album for Anatolian zeybeks:

http://rapidshare.de/files/12292547/Karanfilin_Moruna.rar.ht ml

 In the following link, you can click either of his groups' links to listen some of his demos:

http://www.muammerketencoglu.com/gruplar.php

 



 

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