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    Posted: 27-Apr-2006 at 07:10
In an attempt to raise the over-all quality of historical discussions, All Empires will introduce a sub-forum with a monthly changing “themed” discussion in the very near future.

The idea is to present a topic that on the one hand is of general historical interest and thus deserves a deeper insight, and on the other hand has been neglected on AE in the past.
It would be an opportunity to promote a historical period, the history of a country, or a historical figure etc. that in your opinion needs to be discussed further.
(For example: “The Hanseatic League in Northern Europe”, “The History of Sub-Saharan Kingdoms”, “The Balkan Wars in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries”, ….you get the idea)
It would also be an opportunity for someone amongst AE’s membership to host (as a sort of “temporary moderator”) a series of discussions, to introduce the topic with a few words, to provide links and references to reading material, to provide pictures and maps if necessary, to start of the debates with a number of points worth discussing, and to lead and moderate the “themed” forum, …..and thus would require some commitment and work, but not a lot.
The “theme’ would run for a week or so, depending on the interest it arises, and we would introduce another one in the following month.

We will start this new “themed” sub-forum in May, possibly coinciding with the introduction of the new forum-software, and the topic will be: “The Role of Women in History” , from the introduction of significant female historical figures, via a discussion on the role of women in general in specific historical periods (socially, culturally, religiously, militarily……etc.) to the history of the struggle of women for political , economical, etc. equality, only to mention a few possible discussion points. ( This temporary sub-forum could also be a test if the suggested permanent sub-forum on “women in history" would attract a high enough level of interest to make it feasible.)
So if anybody out there is interested to host a series of discussions on “The Role of Women in History”, please sent me a PM, and we will set it all up.

Furthermore, I would also like some suggestion for possible later historical ( and not contemporary!) “themes” and for members to come forward to host discussions about them.

Please post your suggestions in the AE Meeting Hall, where this announcement is listed as well.


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This also, was PM'ed to Komnenos

Thank you Komnenos!
You saved me from writing a post with the same content as your "Monthly Themes on AE". I'm glad you posted it - my inadequate english would probably have been misunderstood by a great number of members.

Its something I have thought about since my return - but my thoughts goes a little beyond your suggestion.

Let me see if I can convey my thoughts to you...

There are dozens or hundreds of historical sites and forums on the net - and to justify our claim, that AE is the greatest and best of all - we need to stand out - make our concept different.

Vision - Mission - Goal
If we give these 3 words some thoughts and content, I think we can accomplish to make AE the very best.
The Goal of course, could indeed be, to make AE the best and most comprehensive historical site on the net.
The other 2 - vision and mission - let the staff put their heads together on that and also to describe The Goal in more detail.

Then next....
What MEANS does it take to reach the goal? - to fulfill the Vision - and Mission.

"Monthly Themes on AE" is certainly a great concept, and I think by closing the subject, it should be converted to an artichel on the main site. Compiling the posts into one or more artichles by the "Subject-master".
This idea will include to start the subjects as a broad concept and brief description - nothing more than a page or so - and from there, let it branch out via links on keywords in the text, to an infinite number (and levels) of sub-subjects (subpages if you like). These subpages will be similar as the level above (linked keywords to sub-subjects).
That way anyone can benefit - the casual reader will read through and get a general idea - the specialist will click down through the levels to the smallest details.
All this will take a bit of effort to plan and implement - but I think its worth it.
And - it doesnt need to happen overnight.

To make it totally unique - all sides of a subject, war or conflict could be covered - different opinions and conceptions - in contrast to artichles written by one person.
So far - history has never covered the whole truth - but only opinions from a certain point of view at a given time.

I think we could change the way of writing history.

Am I too ambitious?

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Yes, I believe Ip resented such an idea to II too some months ago... I would like to know what topics I suggested... Well, I can think of some good ones anyway soon.

NOw, could you please try to explain,

Quote The “theme’ would run for a week or so, depending on the interest it arises, and we would introduce another one in the following month.

NOw, if a theme runs for a week, and the next one comes in a month, then we would have three weeks of empty space (!!!!).

My other idea is to introduce themes on a different basis:

Every month there are two themes, enough time for posting and arguing. Two weeks for one theme. My idea is to have themes on maybe three basic levels:

  • Persons (that would categorize your “The Role of Women in History”, which by no doubt the first idea came from Morticia, although I have no bad words about her...)
  • Conflicts (that would ãategorize your “The Balkan Wars in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries”)
  • Organizations (Hansaetic League, Kingdoms, Empires, NATO, EU, Mauryan Kingdom, Togukawa Shogunate... any form of ideas...)

This would give you three subforums, but by no doubt altogether there is a higher percent of participators. (unincluding spammers about Balcan Wars).

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Absolutely wonderful idea, I can't wait. I know already which thread for The Role of Women in History I will first contribute so I started today researching everything I possibly can and putting it all together.

How is this going to work - obviously you don't want this new section to be a themed AE Tavern. Will we submit our suggested topics for approval beforehand? I would recommend you not change the settings so only mods can post because people will always want to go back and tweak what they've submitted, add a new quote, add something from a new reference, etc.

Will threads from the Monthy Themes section be used in the Magazine?
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Originally posted by rider rider wrote:

Two weeks for one theme. My idea is to have themes on maybe three basic levels:
  • Persons (that would categorize your “The Role of Women in History”, which by no doubt the first idea came from Morticia, although I have no bad words about her...)
  • Conflicts (that would ãategorize your “The Balkan Wars in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries”)
  • Organizations (Hansaetic League, Kingdoms, Empires, NATO, EU, Mauryan Kingdom, Togukawa Shogunate... any form of ideas...)
I like the idea but I  think the division you proposed is to narrow. I think it would be be better to divide it into "time" (a theme about a specific era), "place" (a theme about a specific country or region) and "sujbect" (a theme about a specific subject, Women in history would be an example of this).
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Yes Mixcoatl - but even if we decide there should be a higher (broader)level if we have started out too narrow, it wouldnt be a problem.

The main idea - as I see it - is to acheive a structure that never will "run out" of space or possibility to add more subjects on all levels - higher, lower or parallel.
A structure of webpages, organized with a single page as top-entry to any number of parallel and/or sublevels.
I have no preference what  category should be used as top-entry, be it region, country, crises or whatever.

But if the structure (with some important sublevels) was drafted out on prehand, it would be easier to chose what subjects are missing - and that way become a new subject for "Monthly Theme".

The lowest level (very narrow - great detail) will become a huge "database" of webpages that can be the foundation for new articles of more general character. Simply by linking to them.

And we dont have to invent the deep plate again on all subjects. I find many threads full of valuable information that fairly easy could be compiled to artichles on certain subjects on many levels. Why should all that work be wasted?
Selected groups of members could be asked to dig up such threads and compile information from them - maybe in addition to a new "Monthly Theme".

I dont know how well I express myself - but I hope you get the general idea. 

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Thanks Mixcoatl, your organization is much better. I can never think of any good ones for I have to bring up armed conflicts...
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I have already posted this in the moderators section, but I thought it would be a good idea to see what other members think of this idea.

Some areas of world history have very few regular contributors and they are largely untapped. I would say that Indian history, South-East Asian history, Early Modern (1500-1800), African history, Latin American and Carribean history, Australia and the Pacific and finally Russian history are all under-represented on the forum in terms of number of contributors and topics on the forum. Also, there are types of history that are barely talked about on AE: women's history, technological (not war related), social history, history of science, biographies, exploration and communications and also economic history.

I suggest that the monthly theme could come from one of these areas, so that people can talk about something else than the eternal Greeks vs Turks debate or "which people were the bravest". Since these are areas that haven't been over-discussed, there's still plenty of potential for meaningful discussions, without getting too detailed and excluding members out of conversations.

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Originally posted by Decebal Decebal wrote:


Some areas of world history have very few regular contributors and they are largely untapped. I would say that Indian history, South-East Asian history, Early Modern (1500-1800), African history, Latin American and Carribean history, Australia and the Pacific and finally Russian history are all under-represented on the forum in terms of number of contributors and topics on the forum. Also, there are types of history that are barely talked about on AE: women's history, technological (not war related), social history, history of science, biographies, exploration and communications and also economic history.

I suggest that the monthly theme could come from one of these areas, so that people can talk about something else than the eternal Greeks vs Turks debate or "which people were the bravest". Since these are areas that haven't been over-discussed, there's still plenty of potential for meaningful discussions, without getting too detailed and excluding members out of conversations.



I could'nt agree more. The content of AE-forum indeed do have significant  unbalance towards certain subjects, and as you say there are loads of subjects missing - along with those you mention.
Like earlier suggested, a drafted structure of what we have and what is missing or wanted, would help.
In worst case - it would be a neutral structure for inspiration.
In best case -  it could serve as an initial guide for a goal of AE.

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Hi,

I think it's a brilliant idea it will inhence the overall quality of AE and it
diversity by a challenging push-pull process.

I buy it when does it start

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Originally posted by Maharbbal Maharbbal wrote:

Hi,

I think it's a brilliant idea it will inhence the overall quality of AE and it
diversity by a challenging push-pull process.

I buy it when does it start

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It will start very soon.

Mila is, as we're speaking, preparing a temporary "The Role of Women in history" Discussion Forum. Any help is more than welcome. Contact her please via PM.
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