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    Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 15:09
According to Turkish daily news population of modern turkey in minor asia had similar mitochondrial dna by 60% to those of Etruria.The fact is that the article fails to mention the tests were done in cows and not people.Other then the fact that turks came to modern turkey in the middle ages and it was populated by greeks and others Cows of minor asia have similar Dna to etrurian cows.The population of cows and not People and even if it was minor asia had not turks at that timeframe.


The real article
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11174-on-the-origin-of-the-etruscan-civilisation.html
The turkish article that doesnt mention cows were tested not humans
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Hidden Face Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 15:13
We have an enormous topic covering this issue. I'd like to provide the link If the search option were enabled.

Edited by The Hidden Face - 20-Apr-2007 at 15:16
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yes i have read it already...it's talking about cows,indeed ...

 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote akritas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 15:58
Originally posted by newscientist.com newscientist.com wrote:

One of anthropology's most enduring mysteries - the origins of the ancient Etruscan civilisation - may finally have been solved, with a study of cattle. 
 
 
Unbelievable mistake!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote olvios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 16:03
The  turkish daily news "error"Sleepy makes one believe that  people were examined when they werent.And even if they were turks arrived in the middle ages.Unless they are cows.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zoao Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 16:07
well u know...nationalism is like cancer..there is not cure...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote akritas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 16:09
I cant see any reason why this big Turkish newspaper fell in that huge mistake. I hope to see any responce, any explanation for this scentific distortion. Because any Turkish  historical connection  with the  Etruscan civilization  is redicilus and reminds me the Anatolianism (Mavi Anadoluculuk) supporters.
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Mavi Anadoluculuk? what is that..Confused
 
By the way, pls top to talk with two nick.(I am not talking about you akritas.) or this cow will bite you.
 
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Originally posted by Mortaza Mortaza wrote:

Mavi Anadoluculuk? what is that..Confused
Anatolianism (Mavi Anadoluculuk) is the theory that claims that Turks are of ancient Anatolians descent. I think Hidden Face?? and me had a debate regarding Ozal book in another thread.
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I know anatolia part but no idea about mavi(blue part.) It is a stupid idea, even we are grandson of anatolians(and some part of us are.), It is unbeneficial for us.

World know we as Turks so we are Turks. Easy.(It is not much important which name we use, but important thing is who are we.)
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Originally posted by Mortaza Mortaza wrote:

Mavi Anadoluculuk? what is that..Confused
 
 
 
 
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what do you think about it hidden?

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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n4/40826/40826.html?erFrom=5584303242515066961Guest
Pairwise genetic distances (FST × 1,000) and corrected mean pairwise sequence differences between the Etruscans and modern populations of Europe and of the Mediterranean shores. The values referring to the current population of Tuscany are underlined.





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So you  are telling us that the byzantine greeks you  turkified and islamized were mostly of greco/roman/gaulish/etrusan genetic stock as those were the people living there.
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Perhaps they were cowsBig%20smile
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Originally posted by Mortaza Mortaza wrote:

what do you think about it hidden?

 
A romantic movement with impractical romantic ideals.
 
 
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you  are telling us that the byzantine greeks you  turkified and islamized were mostly of greco/roman/gaulish/etrusan genetic stock
 
When Turks arrived in Anatolia there were no Byzantines or Greeks, there were "Roum", comming from Roman. Not every Roum was ethnically Greek, there were many nations in Anatolia, plus there was no forced "Turkification" or "Islamafication" policy enforced on the region.
 
Genetics don't determine nationhood your ethnicity. There is no "Greek" or "Itallian" or "Gaul" specific DNA, humans in general have a very similar DNA, were not as different as some would like to believe.
 
Saying that these Turks are not really Turks and telling them what they are is both an insult to Greeks and Turks. I mean be realistic, lets assume your correct, Turks in Turkey are all ex-Greeks some fake wannabe Turks who are embarrased of their Greekness. Well then it raises the question, whats wrong with being Greek? your implying that these people feel repulsed at being Greek and would rather be Turks instead.
 
Think about it...
 
Anyway, what about the non-Greeks that became Greek, what will be of them, there is no pure "race" or "nation", were constantly mixing with each other. If somebody says they're a Greek, speaks Greek and have Greek parents are they not Greek, the same with a Turk...or is there some sort of quota, do you need to be say 5th or 10th generation Turk or Greek to be accepted as one...
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He presented genetic studies on humans that assumed similarities on dna and nationality-etruscan even in an assumption i answered in the same "spirit" proposed or allready used here.Roum,roman(though byzantine=roman=mostly greek on the east) citizen were multiethnic i agree and i gave you a sample multiethinc mix, No insult intented just making a point.
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"Turkification" or "Islamafication"  was used for centuries . I can't believe you debate or deny this.Janissaries and many more tactics were used.Or are you saying that all the byzantine populations were slain?
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