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    Posted: 16-May-2009 at 17:25
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Used for centuries as a natural disease prevention and physical stimulant, an Amazonian tree frog has become a symbol of Brazil's fight to benefit the Indigenous from scientific developments based on their knowledge
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There are more than one hundred frog species in the Amazon forest. For modern science, it would be unthinkable to start doing tests on people's bodies to know the effects of these secretions on human health. But indigenous communities in Brazil show that living in the jungle for centuries makes things different.

"We don't know when and why we started taking this frog's vaccine", says Fernando Katukina, the chief of the Katukina indigenous community formed by 500 members in the Brazilian Amazon. "It is part of our culture since we recognize ourselves as a people. As we have always had the arrow to hunt and the ceramic pot to cook and eat, we have had the frog as our medicine", completes Chief Fernando.

The indigenous vaccination that Chief Fernando talks about is very different from modern medicine's drops or injections. Kako Katukina, an indigenous doctor apprentice, lights a small wooden stick. He smokes the stick slowly while he explains that "the vaccine will cure any diseases you have and it will also bring good luck to your love life". With the stick in flames, Doctor Kako burns "four points" on my leg and with a sharp knife he puts the frog's poison on them.

The blood circulation rushes almost immediately. The intense pressure starts on the head and passes through the heart to all the extremities of the body. After two minutes of intense blood circulation, vomiting starts and lasts for about three minutes until the bile is expelled. The relief comes in the form of a cold sweat, a feeling of lightness and stamina.
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Fascinating topic.
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Did you know that "siriges" were not only developed by Amazonians, as in this case, but also by North American Indians, besides Arabs in the old world?
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One of the disadvantages with destroying natural environments like rainforest is that it destroys the possibilities of utilizing medicines and other commodities that is only possible to obtain from a living environment.

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There are people trying to preserve that heritage. Look at the Shaman Apprentice program.

 
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Good project.
 
The potence of some of the chemicals from the rainforest is rather high. Some years ago a set of arrows together with a bow, originally from a group of pygmies in Central Africa, was stolen from an Etnographic museum in Sweden. The tip of the arrows was dipped in a poison probably made from insects. Even if the arrows had been in the museum for many decades the poison was still lethal if someone should get it in his bloodstream. The museum and the police urged the thieves to quickly return the arrows before an accident happened. Unfortunately they were never returned.
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Just remember that curare is today used by any dentists and physician accross the globe.
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Just remember that curare is today used by any dentists and physician accross the globe.
 
Also other substances from the rainforests have come to use. For a while it was popular here in Europe to eradicate the original fishfauna in some small lakes and ponds and replace it with salmonids (Trout, Rainbow trout and similar) for sportfishing. This was often made by using rotenon a substance first used by some Native Americans. They used it to kill or at least stun fishes so they could easily cath them.
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Don't forget quinine, that today comes in Tonic water, and that prevents malaria.

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Many substances comes from rainforests over the world, and many are still to be discovered if we just let the rainforests survive:
 
"Rainforest Plants Produce Life-saving Medicines
Some 120 prescription drugs sold worldwide today are derived directly from rainforest plants. And according to the U.S. National Cancer Institute, more than two-thirds of all medicines found to have cancer-fighting properties come from rainforest plants. Examples abound. Ingredients obtained and synthesized from a now-extinct periwinkle plant found only in Madagascar (until deforestation wiped it out) have increased the chances of survival for children with leukemia from 20 percent to 80 percent.

Some of the compounds in rainforest plants are also used to treat malaria, heart disease, bronchitis, hypertension, rheumatism, diabetes, muscle tension, arthritis, glaucoma, dysentery and tuberculosis, among other health problems. And many commercially available anesthetics, enzymes, hormones, laxatives, cough mixtures, antibiotics and antiseptics are also derived from rainforest plants and herbs."

 
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Yes. Those must be studied before disappear, because nothing is going to stop the jungle vanish for good.
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