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    Posted: 12-Aug-2008 at 22:04
Please list cases for discussion here.

I'll start: a notorious broadcasting outlet has used footage of the destruction wrought on Tshkhinvalli by Georgians to misrepresent Russian actions in Gori.

Surprise surprise... it's CNN...they are repeat offenders.  Didn't they also use false footage from Nepal to portray Chinese brutality in Tibet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVNblG9PJMk


Edited by Zagros - 12-Aug-2008 at 22:06
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News has become entertainment.  None of these "News" orgs has any subatantial numbers of foreign correspondents anywhere any more.  They piece news together from "official' releases and from propaganda sources, etc.
 
The real story must wait until after the affair is over and there is time to put it together.
 
Network managements are not interested in news, it makes little money and confuses too many viewers, turning them off to the network.  Controversy is more profitable; sensationalism and outrage bring in advertising dollars, and foreign news bureaux cost money.  Objective news reporting from the source is unprofitable and thus also bad business practice.
 
Any questions?  Smile
 
 
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I don't know about that, I have read plenty of fair and a balanced reports so far vs these misrepresentations by mainstream media with strong connections to government.  In fact their fallacies are echoed by their governments.

 
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Zagros' point is not about the nature of the news from the conflict itself but that CNN has already started to distort those already not perfect as one might think reports .
 
This is simply called falsification. The formula of Dr. Goebbels comes to my mind here: "If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth," that what CNN is doing.
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Man... oh man, don't get me going on this subject! Angry 

 
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What's wrong? Smile
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Man... oh man, don't get me going on this subject! Angry 

 


That's the whole point!!! Get going on this subject
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Please list cases for discussion here.

I'll start: a notorious broadcasting outlet has used footage of the destruction wrought on Tshkhinvalli by Georgians to misrepresent Russian actions in Gori.

Surprise surprise... it's CNN...they are repeat offenders.  Didn't they also use false footage from Nepal to portray Chinese brutality in Tibet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVNblG9PJMk


CNN's reporting on Tibet was quite quiet to not tick off the Chinese. Germany I believe is the one your talking about. I would quote a famous nazi here to make my point but it's usually the last thing to come to my mind.

What CNN does nowadays, is expected... But you know what? People will still go to them first for news because they usually report things first. They constantly adjust their stance on things, including this situation, and for that they are better then most in early news in my opinion.

Their stance on these last few days has flip flopped all over the place if you actually read their news. Picking the pieces of your choice is just as much propaganda as they do. I will admit The Time piece they currently have linked is kind of lame though. But Time is somewhat opinionated rubbish anyways.

In this day and age it would be crazy to read less then 5-10 news sources in order to get even a small picture of whats going on. One of them should be CNN.
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Well the whole point is to pick out instances and the fact that they are the first port of call for most people is what makes such misrepresentations so undignified.
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In Spain we have no cases of falsification, but we have a lot of silences and one sided information for example:
 
1. All the photoes (but all, all, all) are about those unfortunate georgians victims; not a single one about the osetians victims.
 
2. Russians are portrayed like the attackers, the georgian attack is only noted in few words and only with the days we have seen a clear assumption of the georgian attack, always counteratacked with the claim about the "disproportionate" russian answer.
 
3. The end of this war is showed as a triumph of the western civilization negative to the brutal russian reaction who wanted conquer Georgia. The diplomatic affairs of this days looks like a great succes of the european diplomacy who have stopped the attack, don't comment deeply the russian point of view.
 
 
But at all, the spanish public opinion is splited without a clear advantage.
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Originally posted by Sarmat12 Sarmat12 wrote:

What's wrong? Smile
 
How would you describe Russian mass media? Every time I watch Russian ORT or RTR I want to throw up.  
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Originally posted by Sarmat12 Sarmat12 wrote:

What's wrong? Smile
 
I've been putting up with this type of crap for quite some time now and i have been sick of it after the first year of my becoming aware of it! There is almost no accountability within the media when they screw up a story!
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Man... oh man, don't get me going on this subject! Angry 

 


That's the whole point!!! Get going on this subject
 
Oh dear god... i don't know where to begin? I'd have to go back over 20 years of being internationally/militarily aware of heavily screwed up news reports. Even then, i've found myself questioning the 20 years before that! And the 20 years before the previously mentioned last 20 years & so on & ect...
 
Thank god for Tylenol! 
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point taken!!!
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Georgia and the West: Goebbels Would Have Been Happy!
http://en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=1539

Western media blatantly misinterpret conflict in South Ossetia

http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/12-08-2008/106079

Saakashvili's personal weapon: the media

http://www.russiatoday.com/features

Georgia: Mikheil Saakashvili, the man who lost it all

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news
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Bankotsu, you are one free bugger.
 
Media distortions abound. We need to remember as Pikeshot mentioned they exist to "sell themselves". Their audience is a western russophobic one. So the storys will be russonphobic.
 
I see the question as pharsed in the opening thread as being a bit naive (sorry Zagros), as you do not believe advertising about other products totally, you should also not believe the media when the say they are fair.  The great thing about the internet is that you can get info from a variety of sources and then make up your mind.
 
The Germans also take vacations in Paris; especially during the periods they call "blitzkrieg".
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I wouldn't say they are russophobic without a good reason.

Can you call it distortion that we have the State's Assembly people speaking in media about the inherent evilness and empirical attitude of the Russians?

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Look, rider if I was in the Baltic states, NATO or no NATO, I would either but all the armour and arty I could get my hands on or brush up on Russian. The US can't do crap to help anybody these days, they have exactly one brigade as a strategic reserve.............and its in S Korea.
 
 
The Germans also take vacations in Paris; especially during the periods they call "blitzkrieg".
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Originally posted by Sparten Sparten wrote:

Bankotsu, you are one free bugger.
 
Media distortions abound. We need to remember as Pikeshot mentioned they exist to "sell themselves". Their audience is a western russophobic one. So the storys will be russonphobic.
 
I see the question as pharsed in the opening thread as being a bit naive (sorry Zagros), as you do not believe advertising about other products totally, you should also not believe the media when the say they are fair.  The great thing about the internet is that you can get info from a variety of sources and then make up your mind.
 


I never do and never have.   But that does not stop it being an issue.  So what's your point? discussing media distortions on the Ossetia crisis is naive? hmmm.  The wording, what's naive about the wording?  Should I have gone for more flowery language?  I can do that too you know
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