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    Posted: 17-Feb-2006 at 18:34

Mayans were supposed to be a peacefull civilization, and a lot of people bealive that. However, the mayans were very strong warriors, and they were in war with other cities near all the time. The names of the units is not known.

The mayans had 5 types of warriors:

*Heavy infantry: They were equiped with an almost complete armor (helmett, pectoral, protection for arms and legs) and they used a flexible shield, made of rope or jade pieces (just as the roman's gladiator net). As weapon they used an almost 2 mts spear with obsidian incrustations in the  bottom of the blade, and they grabbed it with the two hands.

*Light infantry: They hadnt much armor, just the helmet and a shield that could be rounded or squared. They used a 1 mt spear that used with one hand, putting it beneath their arms. Their position in battle were in the flanks so they surrounded the enemy's army letting the heavy infantry charge to the middle.

*Bird warriors: They were the generals or kings. They used an armor with feathers on all the body and a penacho. They werent very active in battle, but commanded the army.

*Tlaloc-Venus warriors: They were a kind of warrior brought by the teotihuacans. They used images of Tlaloc and planet Venus and may worship them. Used mexica shields and cotton armors.

*Hulche throwers: They were the most specialized kind of warrior and their participation in battle were crucial. They used a complete armor and a closed helmett. As weapon they used an dart thrower called "Hulche", and they hadnt much movility arround the battle, so the light infantry had to cover them. They used a little shield (somethimes made of turtle shell) on both arms and another two in the sides of their bodies.

This are the units i know. I dont know if they had archers but i hadnt seen them in any mayan sculture or painting.

If anybody else know more info about the mayans and they warriors, please post here.



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Hi Yum, the Hulche thrower was in fact the Atl Atl.

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Hey yum, I know that the Mexicans invaded Yucatan which was Mayan territory and taught them about Mexican ways. So they probably borrowed the idea of the elite warrior class of Eagle and jaguar knights. 
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I  agree completely about Maya being warlike. I believe they were among the most warlike. The myth of Maya peacefulness was shattered by arheology. People wanted to believe in there peacfulness in spite of the evidence.
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Yes Jalisco, the hulche throwers are the mexicans atlatl, in fact the hulche is from the mexican center, it was brought by the totihuacans in the preclassic.

Itzocelotl, the mexicas had good relationships with the north mayan, the ones that had to fight with the mexicas was the ones in Chiapas (this territory was wanted by the mexicas because of its cacao). However, the north mayans (Yucatan) were invaded by the toltecs in the preclassic, wich tought them how to use the macuahitli and the cotton armors, and the worship of Quetzalcoatl (Kukulkan in mayan).

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The Toltecs never had Macuahuitl, but they did have a sabre like bladed weapon. The Maya after the Zapotec were the second people to develop bladed weapons, long before the Toltec existed, even before Teotihuacan developed them. By Toltec times they had a variety of heavy and light, small and large bladed weapons. The Maya were also using cotton armour in the Teotihuacan period.
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Thanks for the info (and correction) Paul.

C'mon and post!

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I am new here so , hola, konichiwa, hello, cualli tonalli to all.

So who invented the Maquahuitl? and can you give descriptions of the Toltec bladed weapon?

I agree about the fieceness of Mayan warriors, we Mexicans always take all the credit for being the toughest and most skilled warriors  The Mayans clearly developed their own unique culture other than ours, their Mexican neighbors.You should be proud of your Mayan heritage Yum, I give props(saludos) to your hente. Dont let those creoles, europeans and Spaniels in Mexico let you down and try to make you ashamed of your heritage. I have been through that my self!!!!!!!

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I know this is kind of off topic but Ive got some questions.

I have been investigating and thinking on how to build  full Eagle knight war armor. Like I know that they used pattened cotton vests, and bamboo, feathers,  and wood for the shileds. What type of materials they used to make the helmet, protection for arms and legs, the skirt thingy that covers their lower body and shoes? And where kind I find a person that can build it for me?  and did the Mexica use copper swords? or axes? or any other type of material for swords other than obsidian?

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Originally posted by Ometeoist Monk

I am new here so , hola, konichiwa, hello, cualli tonalli to all.

So who invented the Maquahuitl? and can you give descriptions of the Toltec bladed weapon?

I agree about the fieceness of Mayan warriors, we Mexicans always take all the credit for being the toughest and most skilled warriors  The Mayans clearly developed their own unique culture other than ours, their Mexican neighbors.You should be proud of your Mayan heritage Yum, I give props(saludos) to your hente. Dont let those creoles, europeans and Spaniels in Mexico let you down and try to make you ashamed of your heritage. I have been through that my self!!!!!!!

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Nobody knows who invented the Macuahuitl, just it grew to prominence from Oaxaca to Tlaxacala and Tarascan to Maya sometime in the Post Classic era.

The Toltec Sabre is carried by one of the Atlanteans and illustrated in several Codices. It's a curved hockey stick like piece of wood with around five blade inserted on the outside edge of the curve and often the inside aswell.



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Well Paul...im not sure if that description of the toltec blade is real...as i know that is the form of the xiuhcoatl, and the "five blades inserted" is the representation of the fire. But, maybe im wrong...

Anyway..Ometeoist Monk, it is off topic...

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[. So they probably borrowed the idea of the elite warrior class of Eagle and jaguar knights. [/QUOTE]

Who were these people?The 'Eagle and jaguar knights",just asking....
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The helmet was made out carved wood with zoomorfist patterns as eagles, ocelots, coyotes, etc.

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Jalisco, are you refering to the mexicas knights? 

If anybody wants to know (i hope) the mayan helmets are made in many different forms and type. They used alot more feather-craft than the mexicas, and sometimes used the forms of jaguars (destined to kings) and the form of the snake.

The snake they used in helmets is called by the arqueologyst as the teotihuacan "war snake". This creature was brought by teotihuacans to the high lands of Guatemala and Honduras in the classic. You can see this kind of forms in the wall-scultures of Tikal (wich divine dinasty was teotihuacan).

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Yes, I was referring to the mexica helmets.
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OK...great...i think this is all...i officially think this topic is dead.

Thanks to everyone who posted.

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Originally posted by Surenas

[. So they probably borrowed the idea of the elite warrior class of Eagle and jaguar knights. 


Who were these people?The 'Eagle and jaguar knights",just asking....[/QUOTE]

hEY Surenas I can answer your question......

The Eagle and Jaguar kinights were the elite warriors of Mexico. The rank of "knight" was a high rank that usually led the army. They were granted this rank of Eagle or Jaguar knight after capturing or deafeating many warriors and proving their honor, and bravery on the battlefield. The warrior could either choose the Jaguar knight title or the Eagle knight title. They were givin this title through a special ceromony by the Emperor much like dubbing Knights in Europe. They were teachers as well to the young Mexicans who were beggining to learn Yaomachtia-"The way of the warrior teachings"  They taught the art of war in the Cuauhcalli-"Eagle house" and Ocelocalli-"Jaguar house" They also wore distinctive armor, Jaguar knights wore Jaguar helmets and jaguar style armor. The Eagle knight had an Eagle helmet along with full body armor. They were highly trained and were deadly war machines back in the days. The Mexican Empire, and I think Tlaxcala used these knights in battle. Here are some Examples of an Eagle and jaguar knights.

 

The elite Aztec Eagle knights

The elite Aztec Jaguar knights

  Warriors in Mexico also used the pattoned cotton vest as body armor in battle.



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Again, Ometeist Monk, you are off topic.... But i liked the images.

If you want to save this topic from dead, post something relevant to mayan warriors.

Thanks, and may mayan pixanob (souls) join Ometeotl and Hunab Ku (First god/spirit).

 

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I guess Hunab ku is just the Mayan word for the Ometeotl. So Hunab ku and Ometeotl both mean "cosmic energy" or some energy really sacred that created all. You should start that Mayan religion Yum, you can call it "Hunab Kuism" see what your Spanish creole preist has to say about that Yum. It will be like Japan and China, China has Budhism and Japan has Shintoism that are kind of similar but different due to the culture.

Well may the Ometeotl / Hunab Ku be with you my Mayan amigo.

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No, Hunab Ku is different in many ways to Ometeotl. In fact, Hunab Ku means "First/Only god". He hadnt any type of form...his only representation was in glyph. There is no chant, prayer or any type of adoration to him, and in prehispanic times only a few priest worshipped him.

One thing we know about him, is that he is the "spirit" (pixan) that conforms and created everything...but dont even has a heaven...

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