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Originally posted by Suren Suren wrote:

coup d'état



I've talked to my family in Iran and they said cell phone systems and Internet are down. There are some evidences which show Revolutionary guards has rigged the polls and hijacked the reformist candidate Mr Musavi (the real winner of the election). There are hundreds of arrests from journalists, activist, Reformist leaders and webblogers. Reformist campaign speaker said about a coup d'etat which occur after election by Revolutionary guards. He said Mr Musavi was the winner and we had the report from interior ministry which confirm Mr Musavi the winner and Supreme leader has been informed about it. The interior ministry has asked the reformist party to avoid from any provocation act against the hard liner losers and asked the news paper to do not use the word victory on their top lines. then in some hours everything changed the revolutionary guards attacked the reformist central office and arrested many reformist leaders and take Mr Musavi in the house arrest. Then they showed a piece of paper which shows supreme leaders approval of Ahmadi Nejad as the new president.  At the moment all Iranian major cities are unrest and thousands of people are in the streets. I personally saw the video from Tehran, Tabriz, Isfahan, Kermanshah, Shiraz and Mashhad which shows people are clashing with police and putting car and buses on fire.


USA is giving the signal take a look at this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/13/us.military.iran/index.html

Right now is the best time to strike against this fanatical regime or you have to deal with them later. Now you have the support of people of Iran, if you do not take action they will be slaughtered in the streets by this regime, and you have to pay for that with confronting a crazy nuclear Iran hijacked by apocalyptic maniac cult called Hizbullah and specially Hujatiah party which are the most extremest of the hizbullah party, later. Many Basij and Revolutionary guards commanders belongs to the hujattiah party.

Thumbs up. Invade attack, do whatever, get rid of these pigs.  

Ahmadinejad and Khamenei should be assassinated.  They have no claims to the government of Iran, they do not represent her people.


Edited by Zagros - 14-Jun-2009 at 10:38
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 15:05
im quite shocked that it was so openly rigged*, i wasnt expcting that monkey to get a commading victory. Everyone was talking about a tight race while;
*his record over the economy is weak,
*the USA has backed off (no bogey man threat) and,
*the guy is a midget peasant

His only plan was to spend the oil money on poor villages ASAP, no iprovements, reforms or strageic plans to make things work better. No one with an inch of education would vote his way, Iran is well educated enough. This is farce and the national military has to step in somewhere.

 I wont support an invasion, this is between Iranians to solve - emotions are just too high while we see Iranians take to the streets and hit up against the police. Al Jassas is right, i have little hope they have the will to take on the Bajii, if they do and can box those guys in a bit, the government will be shaken.

* I always go by a Zagros inspired rule of thumb; one third supports the government, another is against it and the rest dont care. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jun-2009 at 15:11
I can not call my family in Iran. Cyrus, Do you know if phone lines work in Tehran?
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

One thing is that they were shouting against the government (dolat), not the establishment (hokumat).  I hope they wake up.  The problem is at the very top and down.
And as usual the western media stays conspicuously silent.


More than just silent: when they do cover the story, they won't explain what is going on. I would like to say that it is because they are being silent for a reason, but I am getting the strong impression that they lack access to people who actually have an insight on modern Iran. The "experts" that we have, at last in the US are so ridiculously bias that their opinions are nothing but rants and common places, so I find them untrustworthy.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


I don't understand why you dislike the Iranian government so much that you're prepared to call for an invasion, and I can't bring myself to believe any of these rumours of rigging the vote count.Why can't Ahmedinejad win? Its not like Bush wasn't reelected....And why is "Police" written in English on Irani riot shields?


Bush wasn't reelected. There was documented electoral fraud in Ohio to the point that people went to jail for it. However, the election was close enough that made the rigging of the election possible.

What makes the win of Ahmedinejad implausible is the percentage. It was a 4 way race. Above it was mentioned how the election was monitored. That may be true, but how well monitored was it? In Mexico in 2006 the biggest anomalies happened in those voting stations that lacked representatives for the other party.

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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Suren Suren wrote:

coup d'état



I've talked to my family in Iran and they said cell phone systems and Internet are down. There are some evidences which show Revolutionary guards has rigged the polls and hijacked the reformist candidate Mr Musavi (the real winner of the election). There are hundreds of arrests from journalists, activist, Reformist leaders and webblogers. Reformist campaign speaker said about a coup d'etat which occur after election by Revolutionary guards. He said Mr Musavi was the winner and we had the report from interior ministry which confirm Mr Musavi the winner and Supreme leader has been informed about it. The interior ministry has asked the reformist party to avoid from any provocation act against the hard liner losers and asked the news paper to do not use the word victory on their top lines. then in some hours everything changed the revolutionary guards attacked the reformist central office and arrested many reformist leaders and take Mr Musavi in the house arrest. Then they showed a piece of paper which shows supreme leaders approval of Ahmadi Nejad as the new president.  At the moment all Iranian major cities are unrest and thousands of people are in the streets. I personally saw the video from Tehran, Tabriz, Isfahan, Kermanshah, Shiraz and Mashhad which shows people are clashing with police and putting car and buses on fire.


USA is giving the signal take a look at this article.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/13/us.military.iran/index.html

Right now is the best time to strike against this fanatical regime or you have to deal with them later. Now you have the support of people of Iran, if you do not take action they will be slaughtered in the streets by this regime, and you have to pay for that with confronting a crazy nuclear Iran hijacked by apocalyptic maniac cult called Hizbullah and specially Hujatiah party which are the most extremest of the hizbullah party, later. Many Basij and Revolutionary guards commanders belongs to the hujattiah party.

Thumbs up. Invade attack, do whatever, get rid of these pigs.  

Ahmadinejad and Khamenei should be assassinated.  They have no claims to the government of Iran, they do not represent her people.


That is irresponsible, and just the type of thinking that got people on the Iraq board to "accept" the invasion, sorry "liberation." Then they found out they were duped by the strategists who wanted an Iraq invasion for ulterior motives rather than "liberate."

I actually know one of these expatriates - that served on the board, approved, and then saw what they got themselves into.

Not saying that that approval mattered one bit, but it did weigh in as a show of public solidarity between "good" and "evil."

Invasion won't do a thing. It will cause 1 million deaths, just like it caused the same in Iraq. Up to 1, 000, 000 people dead - that includes a huge chunk of people that didn't have a part to play in this either.

I've seen enough hypocrisy world-wide, through a more personal touch, to see that an invasion will do everything, but fix the situation that is happenning.

It is up to the Iranians, the ones that live there to change this - and it won't come from the outside. The only thing that will come from the outside are countless innocent lives lost for someone's personal venting. Oh, and of course the radicalization of yet another set of innocent bystanders - that is really what we need - another guy that went to school has his life, loses it, and then turns to extremism to get back at the people that took it away from him.



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Aren't you Bosnian?  What did western intervntion do for you?  

Now it is obvious what is going on, there are riots in all major cities, rich and poor
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Mousavi's ethnicity is irrelevant, Ahamdinejad is an Azari Turk too.
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Most detailed article I have read so far:
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Let's hope that the idiots call in the army should the basij's strength in teh wake of the riots wane.  The army is made up of normal people, not religious fanatics.

The Shah made that mistake, let's hope the r** ***ds do too.


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I thought Ahmadinejad was Talysh?

Anyway, is he really that bad? he seems to have calmed down a bit and is acting more rational.
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He's horrible.  He lies through his teeth. He has $200m of missing funds to answer for. He has no basic understanding of economics and makes short term, unsustainable populist gestures. His pauper image is a facade, just like everything else about Jomhuriye Eslami. 

Fake tears for the camera.  

He makes sure his supporters get the good jobs.  Oh, and he rigs votes.

No, he is a Turk.


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Zagros on Wiki it says he's Talysh? he can't be that bad, there still seems to be alot of support and why would the elections be rigged? if the establishment really didn't like the opposition leader they could have taken him out before this stage.
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I suggest you read that last article I linked to.
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Please refrain from using any sort of slur against any ethnic group or religious group.  Thank you.
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My relative just passed away from severe damage to his skull and brain. This Idiots have to pay for that I make sure they will suffer.Angry 
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Im very sorry to hear the bad news Suren, loosing family members is tough.


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Originally posted by Suren Suren wrote:

My relative just passed away from severe damage to his skull and brain. This Idiots have to pay for that I make sure they will suffer.Angry 


I'm very sorry to hear of your relatives passing Suren. May he rest in peace, and may you and your family find peace and comfort during this time.


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Here is an intriguing article I was reading earlier today about what could be happening in Iran. If all in this article is true, then things could get alot worse within Iran which could lead to things that only can be speculated. 
 


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Aren't you Bosnian?  What did western intervntion do for you?  

Now it is obvious what is going on, there are riots in all major cities, rich and poor


What did Western intervention do for me exactly?

Bosnia is divided into 3 seperate entitites - the people that suffered are still in the same conditon. I can go on how it did nothing, but that would be beside the point.

Actually, coming from my own experiences I can say that you have no clue as to what you're saying.

Intervention; lets rephrase that armed invasion will not do a thing for your ancestral homeland. It will demolish it and the people inside it. The people themselves must actually take back their country, a Western invader will only rile them up to the side of the extremists that they are tired off.

Let us use some rational thought and common sense please.





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