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    Posted: 17-Jun-2009 at 17:54
Such silliness with words is sophomoric, not to say the equivalent of the juvenile "Nah, nah, nah sticks and stones..." It is understandable as to why the Pinguino remains too close to a subject so as to render a capable impassioned analysis since he fails to grasp the consequences of a rather facile statement: "Egyptians erased the memory of the bad Pharaons. The same will happen in this case here". No need to utter the caution of George Santayana as to the consequences of "erasing" memory.
 
As for Carcharodon, no absolution there for his penchant to impose a term from military tactics upon far more complex situations. "Invasions" are ephemeral, hence utilization of this term, even with respect to the expansion of the Mongols, is but a foray through a plain full of buffalo chips! Even the terminology drawn by Romantic historians on the "Barbarian Invasions" of the Roman Empire is hogwash. Both the Franks and the Goths were long "Romanized" prior to the 5th century. So let us leave alone words that are but caricatures of historical processes and hold specific meaning in terms of the technical.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga

As for Carcharodon, no absolution there for his penchant to impose a term from military tactics upon far more complex situations. "Invasions" are ephemeral, hence utilization of this term, even with respect to the expansion of the Mongols, is but a foray through a plain full of buffalo chips! Even the terminology drawn by Romantic historians on the "Barbarian Invasions" of the Roman Empire is hogwash. Both the Franks and the Goths were long "Romanized" prior to the 5th century. So let us leave alone words that are but caricatures of historical processes and hold specific meaning in terms of the technical.
 
One can play with words if one like but it still was an (or rather many) invasion. But you maybe prefer words as incursions, infiltrations, replacements or just mean theft?
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Carcharodon insists:
 
"One can play with words if one like but it still was an (or rather many) invasion. But you maybe prefer words as incursions, infiltrations, replacements or just mean theft?"
 
As Poirot might inquire: Where are the little gray cells?
 
The facts are that in terms of the Franks and the Goths "emigration to" and "settlement in" is far more apt a description of how these peoples gained access to Rome. As a "Varangarian" you should grasp the distinction.Wink
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Just finished chapter 1 of Pekka Hamalaianen's "Comanche Empire". It was definitely worth the price. Well founded history, and no polemical self-gratification. There are some issues with academic jargon, as noted in this review.  http://www.literaryreview.co.uk/mclynn_06_08.html

Definitely something that I would recommend to both Pinguino and Carcharodon. Believe the analysis of why the Commanche became what they did would interest a Chilean, if only to draw parallels and differences with the Mapuche, who got the horse earlier, but whose territory lacked the bison. I assume that "Dr G" has already read it.
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
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The Numunuh might be of interest for many reasons...but use this site for useful links:
 
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