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    Posted: 26-May-2008 at 21:40

Government:
1. The government levies heavy taxes.
2. The government prints money whenever necessary to avoid deficit spending or borrowing.
3. The government subsidizes things like factory construction and maintenance.
4. The government determines what a farm will produce.
5. The government determines the prices at which a farmer may sell what he produces (the prices are automatically set above what the market would otherwise dictate so farmers have a certain amount of guaranteed income).
6. The government determines what goods and services businesses can produce, how much they will produce and the price at which the produced goods and services will be sold.
7. The government, at the direction of business owners, determines the wages and salaries of all employees.
8. The government provides health insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance and a retirement pension to employees.
9. The government operates an organization that provides low-cost recreational and cultural activities- things like luxury cruise vacations for less than 2 weeks’ pay.
10. The government conscripts labor for public works projects in order to relieve massive, chronic or long-term unemployment.

Farmers:
1. Family farms may not be mortgaged or seized by creditors.
2. Family farms may not be sold.
3. Family farms must be inherited by the farmer’s oldest son or the nearest male relative and the heir is responsible for providing a living for the deceased farmer’s surviving spouse and minor children.

Business owners:
1. All corporations worth less than $500,000 must be sold to a larger corporation or closed.
2. No new corporation worth less than $2.8 million may be established.
3. No more than 6% of a corporation’s profits may be distributed as dividends. The remaining 94% must be either re-invested in the corporation or be used to purchase government bonds (which the government is not obligated to ever pay back).
4. Employers may demand greater output from employees without increasing wages or benefits.
5. Large business must either form cartels or join already existing cartels pertaining to whatever industry the business is associated with.

6. No business may fire an employee or lay off an employee without the government’s permission.

Labor:
1. Labor unions are illegal.
2. Employees may not strike.
3. No employee may leave his employer without the employer’s permission.
4. An employee must pay anywhere from 15 to 35 per cent of his pay in taxes and charitable donations mandated by the government.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-May-2008 at 23:14
....wha?
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

....wha?
 

Which political ideology would support this socio-economic plan?

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A fictional stereotypical left wing ideology as seen through a grumpy conservative's eyes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DesertHistorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2008 at 19:29
Seems like the way things are going whether this is a real or fictional ideology. Seems like the move to the left continues regardless of how much the people resist.
An interesting list of what might be called "Hillary Clinton's wish list"! LOL
It would definitely have to be more extreme to cover Barack Obama's wish list! LOL
 
 
Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Government:
1. The government levies heavy taxes.
2. The government prints money whenever necessary to avoid deficit spending or borrowing.
3. The government subsidizes things like factory construction and maintenance.
4. The government determines what a farm will produce.
5. The government determines the prices at which a farmer may sell what he produces (the prices are automatically set above what the market would otherwise dictate so farmers have a certain amount of guaranteed income).
6. The government determines what goods and services businesses can produce, how much they will produce and the price at which the produced goods and services will be sold.
7. The government, at the direction of business owners, determines the wages and salaries of all employees.
8. The government provides health insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance and a retirement pension to employees.
9. The government operates an organization that provides low-cost recreational and cultural activities- things like luxury cruise vacations for less than 2 weeks’ pay.
10. The government conscripts labor for public works projects in order to relieve massive, chronic or long-term unemployment.

Farmers:
1. Family farms may not be mortgaged or seized by creditors.
2. Family farms may not be sold.
3. Family farms must be inherited by the farmer’s oldest son or the nearest male relative and the heir is responsible for providing a living for the deceased farmer’s surviving spouse and minor children.

Business owners:
1. All corporations worth less than $500,000 must be sold to a larger corporation or closed.
2. No new corporation worth less than $2.8 million may be established.
3. No more than 6% of a corporation’s profits may be distributed as dividends. The remaining 94% must be either re-invested in the corporation or be used to purchase government bonds (which the government is not obligated to ever pay back).
4. Employers may demand greater output from employees without increasing wages or benefits.
5. Large business must either form cartels or join already existing cartels pertaining to whatever industry the business is associated with.

6. No business may fire an employee or lay off an employee without the government’s permission.

Labor:
1. Labor unions are illegal.
2. Employees may not strike.
3. No employee may leave his employer without the employer’s permission.
4. An employee must pay anywhere from 15 to 35 per cent of his pay in taxes and charitable donations mandated by the government.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2008 at 20:01
I was going to say national socialism...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2008 at 21:17
Yeah, this doesn't exactly fit in the left-right spectrum.

It sounds very much like national socialism, but there are also analogies with mercantalist economic regimes of the early capitalist era.

Primogeniture on farmlands throws this completely outside of modern political economy - whatever this is, it is extremely reactionary.

I would hazard a guess that this is either a list of policies from Czarist Russia or Nazi Germany.
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Aristotle would have gone for the bit on farms. But not much of the rest of it.
 
(I'm not saying Aristotle mentions mortgages, because I don't think he knew about them, but I'm sure he'd approve of the rule.)
 
The closest I can think of to the whole program is Mussolini's Fascism, though I can see why people are reminded of Hitler and other right-wing extremists.
 
All governments print money (which isn't 'avoiding' deficit spending, it is deficit spending) when necessary, and subsidise factory construction and maintenance. Never to do so would simply be stupidly impractical no matter what yoiur political opinions.


Edited by gcle2003 - 02-Nov-2008 at 11:27
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here's a bit of a thought provoker:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qUN55zS4BPs


Edited by brandnewworld - 02-Jan-2009 at 01:18
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And what thoughts does it provoke in your mind? Please provide an analysis to avoid being classified as a spammer/troll. Wink

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Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

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this my friends is much like socialism, a stepping stone to communism, but it is what i like to call the more negative "stalin" type of extreme governmental control. the fact the gov't will regulate the markets and economy, is what we call a controlled economy/market. i feel it is better to let the markets decide what the people should produce. the consumer, by his or her purchases should decide the prices and availability,ie..supply and demand. this article i feel is more of something that would fall under more of a "beurocratic collectivism" where it is a top elite that gain money from socialistic idealogy but instead of true socialism where it should benefit the people it only makes the top(gov't-bankers-elite} richer, much like capitalism does. if that helps. but yeah this ideology does not suit the american people... pure garbage
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Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Government:
1. The government levies heavy taxes. Left, right did too during war times.


2. The government prints money whenever necessary to avoid deficit spending or borrowing. Left, but can be right for example Nixon administration

3. The government subsidizes things like factory construction and maintenance. Left, but can be right for example american agriculture has been subsidize for decades by each government.

4. The government determines what a farm will produce. Left, but totalitarian right governments like nazi Germany or franquist Spain did.

5. The government determines the prices at which a farmer may sell what he produces (the prices are automatically set above what the market would otherwise dictate so farmers have a certain amount of guaranteed income). Left, but righty governments can do it, see the above examples.

6. The government determines what goods and services businesses can produce, how much they will produce and the price at which the produced goods and services will be sold. Extreme left, in the past extreme right too.

7. The government, at the direction of business owners, determines the wages and salaries of all employees. Extreme left, this only happened in USSR.

8. The government provides health insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance and a retirement pension to employees. Left, but in Europe rightist governments do too.

9. The government operates an organization that provides low-cost recreational and cultural activities- things like luxury cruise vacations for less than 2 weeks’ pay. Extreme left, this only happened in USSR.

10. The government conscripts labor for public works projects in order to relieve massive, chronic or long-term unemployment. Left, but in time of crisis this have been done by rithist governments like Hoover in the thirties.



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This is a national socialist (Nazist) government plan :D
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Originally posted by truth of the matter truth of the matter wrote:

this my friends is much like socialism, a stepping stone to communism, but it is what i like to call the more negative "stalin" type of extreme governmental control. the fact the gov't will regulate the markets and economy, is what we call a controlled economy/market. i feel it is better to let the markets decide what the people should produce.
In which case, it occurs to me somewhat belatedly to point out, all the big US banks would have failed already. Or would fail now if the market wasn't being rigged by Geithner's new plan.
 
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