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Poll Question: Who will you vote for and why?
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There's more than just your type of isolationist, Tobodai... no offense...
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What do we care if Kim acts up?  not much, except he's close to having nuclear missiles that can hit the West Coast, if he doesn't already have them.

China will care more about the lost trade than world outcry.

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alot of Libertarian nesting inside of the rep. party
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the vote is stupid, one can vote many many times
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Sorta like in real life... oh, but the Dems should be used to that...
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"The downfall of Americas glory has begun."

Don't you think that's a little extreme Tobedai.  America is so rich in money, resources, and manpower that any short term decline can easily be overcome, that and we have no serious enemies who could take over our number one spot.

It will be centuries before America loses its most powerful nation status.

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Originally posted by Tobodai Tobodai wrote:

Im prety much an isolationist too, but if you are one then you shoul dbe pissed abou Iraq!

  American soldiers are dying and being maimed over there for reasons that have been exposed as lies.

 

Thus US media is incredibly watered down, they show you nothing compared to what its reallt like.  With us raping Iraqi boys in prison and violence killing so many of them, how can you say its good?

Also Bush/s deficeits mean we will be a nation that may be forced into being unduling influenced by foreign creditors, thats not very isolationist dont you think?

God, I swear, Repuplicanism could be cured by education!

I myself asm a libertarian, I dont like Kerry AT ALL, but he is just a political sleaze, where Bush , Ascroft, Rumsfeld, and Cheney are the 4 horsemen of the aacolype.

And yes, the US should have WAY more than the 2 retarted parties we have now!

Well, I agree Bush is not all good.  But...

The US media tends to depict the anti-war position; the people of Iraq as a whole are much better off without the repressive government.  That does not mean that there is no violence, but I believe there was at least as much before, in secret, by the Baath party forces.  I still believe that the Iraqi government was bent on procurring WMD, even if they had not yet.  I actually am of the opinion that the WMD were sent to hiding in Syria and/or Iran, but I will not endeavor to defend that position.

As for the deficits--I agree, they are a major problem.  I would recomend the elimination of the IRS, department of education, and the scale back of medical assistance programs.  I think the government has far outgrown its constitutional grounds.  Governments should be solely to protect the people from outside threats and to provide a justice system.  That's all, IMHO.

"Republicanism could be cured by education!"  Well, as you see I am not exactly a Republican, but I have similar views on many topics.  And I am very well educated .  Homeschooled.  Which would explain my views, I guess. 

As for libertarianism, I am an economic libertarian, but definately not a moral libertarian.

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Originally posted by Bryan Bryan wrote:

There's more than just your type of isolationist, Tobodai... no offense...

 

the only people that actuallt have views in accordance to the constitution maybe?

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oh and please, if you watch the news you can tell them are so NOT anti war.  War makes viewers.  Did you see the Iraq coverage?  Flags and patriotic exortations everywhere.  The liberal media myth is actually the product of a really smart and successful attempt to paint whats only a money making enterprise as some political thing.  The truth is, the media likes war, like juicy stories, and is a corporation aiming to make money.  Hell even on the only American left leaning news, NPR (where everyone talks like morphene adicts) republican guests outnumbere anyone else 2 to 1, on Fox news for southerners its 5 to 1, everyone else is somwhere inbetween.
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Know many Dems that consider NPR the most balanced news. C-Span is good.  Fox has a conservative skew, but the southern channel Tobodai?

I saw a chinese analist on CCTV 5 english, pinn an Al-Jazzira journalist in a interview and he confessed that his station sympathized with Bin Laden`s cause. I dont know why i just wrote that.

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I think he called it that because it's based in Atlanta... I think...
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Originally posted by Genghis Genghis wrote:

"The downfall of Americas glory has begun."

Don't you think that's a little extreme Tobedai.  America is so rich in money, resources, and manpower that any short term decline can easily be overcome, that and we have no serious enemies who could take over our number one spot.

It will be centuries before America loses its most powerful nation status.

Wouldn't be so sure.  Britain was numero uno in 1900.  Where were they within 50 years?  Each subsequent dominant power gets to spend less time at the top.

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Maybe I should rephrase that.  I don't see us falling, per se, but neither do I see us being the undisputed world leader for too long.  I think it will be the US, the EU, China, India, Japan, and Russia.
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Originally posted by Tobodai Tobodai wrote:

oh and please, if you watch the news you can tell them are so NOT anti war.  War makes viewers.  Did you see the Iraq coverage?  Flags and patriotic exortations everywhere.  The liberal media myth is actually the product of a really smart and successful attempt to paint whats only a money making enterprise as some political thing.  The truth is, the media likes war, like juicy stories, and is a corporation aiming to make money.  Hell even on the only American left leaning news, NPR (where everyone talks like morphene adicts) republican guests outnumbere anyone else 2 to 1, on Fox news for southerners its 5 to 1, everyone else is somwhere inbetween.

May I ask for your source for those ratios, please?  Was it a democratic source

Since the war, the primary focus has been on American casualties, rather than the rebuilding and the new found freedom.

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Both Sucks.....

We do not love Bush but Kerry says that he will strengthen the USA army.This means more disasters.

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Originally posted by Jagatai Khan Jagatai Khan wrote:

Both Sucks.....

We do not love Bush but Kerry says that he will strengthen the USA army.This means more disasters.

Kerry says he will strengthen the army?  Interesting.  What does he intend to use it for, and how will he fund it, I wonder, along with the other programs he wants to increase funding for?  Bigger deficits or higher taxes?

 

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I personally voted for Bush even though I don't really support either. I'd rather see Bush in office rather than Kerry. Kerry seems pretty sleazy to me. He also flip flops on a lot of issues, and that frusterates me. Bush may not be perfect, but here's how I look at it. He's human. I was happy with the way that he handled the September 11th issue until the War on Terroism. That's where I think he made his biggest mistake. I realize that Osama needs to be captured, but declaring war and sending the military in seems a little outrageous to me.
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Hahano, plaease dont anyone label me a democrat, I view that as a grevious insult.  Trust me I dont like Kerry much, Im not voting for him or any democrat, Im voting against Bush.  Democrats can be just as despicable as republicans, its just that right now the republican party is catering more to crazies the Osama eque faction of America if you will.  Different religion same crap.

And no Fox News is based in New York actually, its southern because its dumbed down flashy news for illiterate rednecks  Fox News is really the Al Jazeera of America, excpet less bold and daring.

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oooh Ive got a great compromise situation, everyone that votes for Bush can pay off the deficeit and everyone who doesnt wont pay a dime!  Anyone that votes for Nader should just be shot (because that would mean hippies would die in mass numbers anyway) of and a vote for Bush should also come with obligatory service in Iraq to relieve the long suffering soldiers already there.  If you resist you will be labeled "unpatriotic" and a vote for Kerry just sends Kerry to Iraq-alone.  He can confuse Al Sadr b matching him in the opinion and task switching race!

and then...finally we can install teh space marine from Doom as president, I mean if he can repel the hordes of hell, what cant he do?

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How exactly IS Kerry going to balance the budget?  I thought he was going to avoid raising taxes.  Is he going to cut the military?  I am sure he could not cut any of the programs without outcry from his interest groups...

Graphs:  Military spending as percentage of GDP:

Now that's not the problem, I think.

The deficit is a problem:  (but not as bad when compared to other years as percentage of GDP, not in dollar amounts)

Now here is what really bothers me:  Outlay by agency.  These are th 4 areas that consume more than 5% of the outlays:



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