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    Posted: 18-Jul-2006 at 08:22
Here are the Kazakh months of the year, some like Newriz have obvious roots, but most sound totally unlike Russian or Arabic, does anyone know of their roots?

Turkish - Kazakh - English

Ocak - Kangtar - Jan
Şubat - Akpan - Feb
Mart - Nawrız - March
Nisan - Kökek - April
Mayıs - Mamır - May
Haziran - Mawsım - June
Temmuz - Şilde - July
Ağustos - Tamız - August
Eylül - Kırküyek - September
Ekim - Kazan - October
Kasım - Karaşa - November
Aralık - Zheltoksan - December

Note: The words for Oct, Nov, Dec and Jann in TUrkish were changed years back from their Arabic of:

teşrîn-i evvel
teşrîn-i sânî
kanun-ı evvel
kanun-ı sânî

Another question, if anyone knows the roots of the Turkish months aside from the obvious Latin borrowings and Ocak which means 'hearth' (Turkic origin) I'd be interested.  Thanks.
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Mawsım the name of moth june in kazak mean season in turkish
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Yes, Mevsim.

Kirk Uyek, 40 somethings?
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they first only named the seasons , and thereafter the months. A season was 90 days. so Zheltoksan means something like the end of the season (toksan 90), and mawsim means the coming of the new season, and Kirkuyek something like the first 40 days of the new season. I could be wrong, but I read it on a site which in my opinion was quite reliable
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Originally posted by Afsar Beghi Afsar Beghi wrote:

they first only named the seasons , and thereafter the months. A season was 90 days. so Zheltoksan means something like the end of the season (toksan 90), and mawsim means the coming of the new season, and Kirkuyek something like the first 40 days of the new season. I could be wrong, but I read it on a site which in my opinion was quite reliable

Hmm could be yes, interesting about the use of numbers in their months.
Nawriz is originally Persian but I didn't think they got as far north as Kaz.  I guess they adopted it from their southern Turkic neighbours like the Turkmen.
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Originally posted by Suevari Suevari wrote:


 Kangtar - Jan 
 Akpan - Feb
 Nawrız - March
Kökek - April
Mamır - May
Mawsım - June
Şilde - July
Tamız - August
Kırküyek - September
Kazan - October
Karaşa - November
Zheltoksan - December

Akpan shuld be related to the verb root ak- to  flow, to run
Nawrız is Perisan for new day
Kökek should be related to adjective Kök / Gök , blue or green
Mamır is arabic mamur, developped, in welfare/ may can be thought to be beginning of good days in Steppe climate, so it can be seen as welfare
Tamız is Hebrew
Kırk üyek should be a 40 thing
Karasha should be a derivative of adjective Kara, black and Karasha should mean blackish(bad) month
Zhel means Yel, Wind in Kazakh Turkish
Toksan is 90
This month can be thought as a beginning of a 90 day strong winds.
 
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Ooh, very good Tangriberdi.  AK could also be something to do with white..?
In Hebrew Tammuz is july.
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It could, but the part of pan seems to be a suffix forming noun s from vebs . I don't know for sure.

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Interesting, here are the Kazakh numbers:

Bir, yeki, üsh, tört, bes, altı, zheti, segiz, toguz, on.

20 - zhiyırma
30 - otız
40 - qırq
50 - yeluw
60 - alpıs
70 - zhetpis
80 - seksen
90 - toqsan
100 - zhüz

Funny how we kept all our origianl names for numbers (except sıfır) but not for days of the week for example.

Any know the roots of the modern Turkish days of the week?  I know Cuma is from Arabic Jummah.


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Pazartesi>Bazar(Persian Baazaar, Marketplace)+erte(Turkic erte , the day after.): Monday
Sali: Sali(Arabic  meaning two or second I am not sure, because it the second day in Turkish):Tuesday
Carsamba(Persian Chahaarshanba, Chahaar , four+ Shanba , Saturday so Chahaarshanba means the fourth day after Saturday):Wednesday
Persembe(Persian Panjshanba, Panj Five and Shanba you know. It is the fifth day after Saturday.):Thursday
Cuma(Arabic Jummah from J.m, to come together, assembly or something like that):Friday
Cumartesi(Arabic Cuma and Turkic erte):Saturday
Pazar(Persian Baazaar, the marketplace. Because marketplaces were once open on this day):Sunday
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The arabic word for second or 2 is sani, not sali.

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Where is "Sali" derived from then? is it Iranic? or Turkic? or Arabic?
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No it is Arabic . Then Sali does not mean second but third.
So Sali is the third
Carsamba 4th
Persembe 5th
etc... Or I do not know that.


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NAMES OF MONTHS IN STANDARD ISTANBULITE TURKISH

Ocak(from Turkish Otchak, the time when stoves are burnt.)-January

 

Shubat>Hebrew Shebat

 

Mart>From European Languages.

 

Nisan>Hebrew Nisan

 

Mayis>From European Languages.

Haziran>Hebrew Haziran

Temmuz>Hebrew Tammuz

Aghustos>Latin Augustus

Eylul>Hebrew Eylul

Ekim(fr. Turkish  ek- , to sow, the month when seeds are sown)

Kasim(from Turkish kas-, to stretch tight, in this month the weather so cold that someones's face isstretched tight)
 
Aralik(from Turkish Ara, Gap,+lik ,- nes,- hood, -ship, -ity; In this month rain stops for one or few weeks but it makes freezing  and then it starts to snow. That is there is a gap between rain and snow. So it is Aralik.)
 
In some Anatolian dialects:
 Mart is called Kürekyaktıran, the one that makes you burn your shovel, it is called so because the sun is seen but it is still cald in this month, perhaps...
 Mayis is called Sultannevruz or only Nevruz . Because the Turkic and Iranic  festival is in this month
Temmuz is called yazortasi, midsummer
Eylül is called Biçim , from biç- to reap, in the beginning of this month many crops are reaped?
 
 
If I know other names or other variants of Month names I will add them too.


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So could someone explain to me what with all the hebrew words?

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There are Hebrew month names in Turkish because Anatolian Turkish borrowed many things from Middle Eastern geography as well as European  things during Ottoman Era.
Many of Hebrew/in other words semitic month names were borrowed via Assyrian. Not directly from Jews.
It is nothing bad. It is just a riches of Anatolian Turkish.
For example in Anatolian Turkish Abril or Avril for April is also used instead of Nisan. But Istanbulite Turkish standardized Nisan.
In Anatolian dialects instead of Turkish ocak European Yanvar or Yanvar ay is also used but Istanbulite Turkish standardized Ocak.
We are okay with it. No problem for us. Personally I would like to see some Turkish month names more. but be consent to availables too.
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Interesting, the anatolian slang months dont exist in TRNC. Maybe it may have been used in the past.

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