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    Posted: 29-Mar-2005 at 13:01
I know Islam has made some good contributions to history, including literature.

I have read some Islamic poetry but off hand my mind is blank-any contributions!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2005 at 19:41
I have read the Prophet and it is one of my favorite literary pieces.

Then Almitra spoke again and said, "And what of Marriage, master?"

And he answered saying:

You were born together, and together you shall be forevermore.

You shall be together when white wings of death scatter your days.

Aye, you shall be together even in the silent memory of God.

But let there be spaces in your togetherness,

And let the winds of the heavens dance between you.

Love one another but make not a bond of love:

Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.

Fill each other's cup but drink not from one cup.

Give one another of your bread but eat not from the same loaf.

Sing and dance together and be joyous, but let each one of you be alone,

Even as the strings of a lute are alone though they quiver with the same music.

Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping.

For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.

And stand together, yet not too near together:

For the pillars of the temple stand apart,

And the oak tree and the cypress grow not in each other's shadow.

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Gibran is probably the best known in the west - look for Rumi and Hafez as well - one of my favorite Rumi pieces

Let go of your worries and be completely clear-hearted,
like the face of a mirror that contains no images.
If you want a clear mirror, behold yourself
and see the shameless truth, which the mirror reflects.
If metal can be polished to a mirror-like finish,
what polishing might the mirror of the heart require?
Between the mirror and the heart is this single difference:
the heart conceals secrets, while the mirror does not.

Cyrus had corrected the translation of one of these at one point on the old site - I hope this is the right version.

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I'm sorry but the last one is in Persian not Arabic. and obviously not Islamic (They say Rumi was gay!)
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Originally posted by ramin ramin wrote:

I'm sorry but the last one is in Persian not Arabic. and obviously not Islamic (They say Rumi was gay!)

Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi was Turkish and he was a man.

I think Ottoman "Divan Edebiyatı" has the best examples of Islamic literature and poetry. It uses a language synthesis of Turkish, Arabic and Persian. I dont understand anything from it because of the enormous number of foreign words and usage in it, but it sounds pretty cool...

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So, 'Islamic poetry' is the latest manifestation of the muddy thinking process rampart in the contemporary West.

How much sense would it make if someone asked what 'Christian poetry' is like? You'd ask, 'which language do you have in mind?' So, Arabic poetry, Persian poetry, Turkish poetry exist, 'Islamic poetry' does not exist. Unless, of course, you were talking about religious poetry (Sufi poetry, etc.) which is actually about religion. But you unfortunately aren't.

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Funny thing is, you have muslims here who speak in such terms, thus even things that aren't even exclusivly Islamic, become defacto Islamic.

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Ramin - You seem to feel that - to be considered Islamic - literature must be written in Arabic?  I disagree - there is a long tradition of literature in several countries that do not use Arabic as a principle language - Persia and Turkey have already been mentioned, Mogul literature is another example.  A quick web search also found Islamic poetry and literature being written today in languages as diverse as Swahili and bahasa Indonesia.

Beylerbeyi - you are seeing monsters under the bed again.  In a few short sentences you have hijacked a thread with the potential to expose folks to some of the best, and least known literature that the world has to offer and turned the discussion into a diatribe against the "evil West"?  What a positive and productive outlook.

In the english language the convention is to use the term Islamic as an adjective describing both the cultures and the products of the cultures of the period from the growth of Islam through the decline of the Ottoman Empire - hence - "Islamic Art"  "Islamic Literature" and yes - even here at AE, the subcategory "Islamic World". 

An article from Cornell and a syllabus with links from an old Berkeley course in World Civilization.

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/islamlit.htm

http://www-learning.berkeley.edu/wciv/ugis55a/readings/islam .html

 

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He is making a legitimate point IMHO, even if it perhaps doesn't belong in this thread. There are funny things in everyday language that we take for granted and think nothing of, but we should question.
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu Oguzoglu wrote:

Originally posted by ramin ramin wrote:

I'm sorry but the last one is in Persian not Arabic. and obviously not Islamic (They say Rumi was gay!)

Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi was Turkish and he was a man.

check his biography again.
He was a man who fell in love with his preceptor and inspiration Shams-al-din Tabrizi. He titled his famous Masnavis after him "Divan-E Shams".

Originally posted by vagabond vagabond wrote:

Ramin - You seem to feel that - to be considered Islamic - literature must be written in Arabic?
No-no!... I didn’t say that, I was just talking "specifically" about Rumi and his Divan-E Shams. However, his other work (Masnavi Manavi) which is dervish spiritual poetry, can interpreted as an islamic literature.
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Quote Beylerbeyi - you are seeing monsters under the bed again.  In a few short sentences you have hijacked a thread with the potential to expose folks to some of the best, and least known literature that the world has to offer and turned the discussion into a diatribe against the "evil West"?  What a positive and productive outlook.

I respect your point and intent, but I don't agree with your assessment of what's positive and productive. The reason is, by agreeing with this nonsense you are propagating it. 

Quote In the english language the convention is to use the term Islamic as an adjective describing both the cultures and the products of the cultures of the period from the growth of Islam through the decline of the Ottoman Empire - hence - "Islamic Art"  "Islamic Literature" and yes - even here at AE, the subcategory "Islamic World".

Your convention is nonsense in many ways. 'Islamic World' as a pre-modern term is indeed meaningful. One can similarly talk about 'Christendom', and make sense. 'Islamic art' is semi-meaningful, because Islam, being a iconoclastic religion, restricts certain visual art forms, causing an increase of interest in others. 'Islamic literature' is, on the other hand, is quite meningless, unless you are talking about literature about Islam itself. It makes far more sense to discuss poetry in terms of language. Also, since you use the term 'Islamic' as relating to politics and culture as distinct from religion, as in 'Islamic poetry produced by cultures from the growth of Islam to the decline of the Ottoman Empire', I wish you good luck in convincing the Greeks and Bulgarians and Serbs and many others that their poetry under the Ottomans was 'Islamic'.  

Quote He is making a legitimate point IMHO, even if it perhaps doesn't belong in this thread.

Thank you. And it belongs in this thread, which is called 'Islamic poetry'.   

Quote Funny thing is, you have muslims here who speak in such terms, thus even things that aren't even exclusivly Islamic, become defacto Islamic.

Very true. This is because 'islamism' appeared as a reaction to western orientalism, which lumps the muslims from all over the planet into one fictitious category. Anti-western (and at the time anti-imperialist) traditionalists actually liked the idea and adopted it. This is a modern phenomenon.

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Any Sufi literature?
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu Oguzoglu wrote:


Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi was Turkish and he was a man.

I think Ottoman "Divan Edebiyatı" has the best examples of Islamic literature and poetry. It uses a language synthesis of Turkish, Arabic and Persian. I dont understand anything from it because of the enormous number of foreign words and usage in it, but it sounds pretty cool...

I don't Understand too why do you think He was Turk , If he was, Why he didn't use turkish Language, & why there is no turkish word in his poems &....

You know him turk because his shrine located at Ghonie

Molana was Aryan as me & all of his compatriot & whose that his book was elected as most favorite book in US few months ago
 

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