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    Posted: 22-Mar-2005 at 07:05

Scholars' opinions differ badly.  what do u think?



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I think it's because he pasts it into the actual post itself.
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It is romantic(ironically) in a sense to think that the Xiong Nu were shunned by the East and headed west to take out its wrath on Europe. Probably more unlikely than likely in my opinion considering the time gap and the discrepancies in Western and Chinese descriptions on appearances and customs. The Steppe is vast and contained countless warlike nomads.
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Yes Hun and Xiongnu are same etnic group.
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Originally posted by Catt Catt wrote:

It is romantic(ironically) in a sense to think that the Xiong Nu were shunned by the East and headed west to take out its wrath on Europe. Probably more unlikely than likely in my opinion considering the time gap and the discrepancies in Western and Chinese descriptions on appearances and customs. The Steppe is vast and contained countless warlike nomads.

Yep, that's the opinion on the opposite side. In Chinese history book, judging form the description of Xiongnu, they looked like Indo-European ethnic folks.  But the European historian discribed the Huns as people with typical Mongolian trait.

 

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Originally posted by oodog oodog wrote:

Yep, that's the opinion on the opposite side. In Chinese history book, judging form the description of Xiongnu, they looked like Indo-European ethnic folks.  But the European historian discribed the Huns as people with typical Mongolian trait.

 

 

Really? Why don't you post some information from Han primary sources of the period that describe the physical appearances of the Xiongnu being identified with Indo-Europeans? I'd seriously like to see some since I've seen some erroneous sites online that claim the Chinese primary sources describe them as "Indo-Europeans".

 

However, this site here: http://www.uglychinese.org/hun.htm#physique claims the opposite - "I would make a claim here that the Huns were semi-sinicized people who had lived along the Chinese border for thousands of years, and the Huns were much more civilized than the later Jurchens and Mongols. My speculation is that the ancient Chinese could have much in common with the Huns. The early Chinese historical accounts did not have much hint as to the physique of the Huns. That is probably to do with my speculation that the ancient Chinese of 2000 years ago might not be different from the Huns at all." There's some reference to primary sources so it is probably not too unreliable.



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My understanding (based on internet posts I've read) is that many of the skulls that were dug up from Hun burials in Europe were Mongoloid.  I can't provide any sources at the moment.
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Xiongnu is hun's Chinese pingyin.
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Really? Why don't you post some information from Han primary sources of the period that describe the physical appearances of the Xiongnu being identified with Indo-Europeans? I'd seriously like to see some since I've seen some erroneous sites online that claim the Chinese primary sources describe them as "Indo-Europeans".

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In fact, there are not much desciption on the physical appearance of Xiongnu in Chinese history books and documents. Well, however, let me try and post some.
1. In Book of Han (Han Shu, an official history book about the Western Han Dynasty written by Ban Gu), in "Xiongnu Biography" it said Xingnu had "strong and strapping figures". Also in "Jin Mi Di Biography" (Jin was a exiled prince from Xiongnu and take refuge in Han Empire. He served for the Emperor, Wu Di and was recognized as loyal and capable. Jin become one of the regent ministers after Wu Di's death.) Jin, the ex-prince of Xiongnu, was as tall as 8 Chi and 2 Cun (about 1.9 metres). Obviously, few mogolian is so tall.
2. In Book of Jin (Jin Shu,an history book about Jin Dynasty and Southern- Northern Dynasty, 265-589 AD), when Ran Min (a Han Chinese racialist and a warlord) ordered his troop to kill all the Xiongnu people living in Nothern China,it was said that " most of the hairy folks with 'high nose' (Roman nose) were purged", which hints the physical trait of Xiongnu.
3. An antique embroidery that was unearthed in Inner Mogolia and proved to be one of Xiongnu's relique shows the people emboiderred on it had rich beard and blue eyes.
4. Remains that were found by acheologist in the tombs of Xiongnu in northern China and Mongolia demonstrates the skeletons of Xingnu forks are too strapping to be Mongolian type.


 

 



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Two threads in China History Forum should tell you the answers of whether Xiongnu is Hun.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=160 5


http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=305

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