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Alvand class patrol vessels.
 
Designations:
DE-71 Alvand
DE-72 Alborz
DE-73 Sabalan
DE-74 Sahand
 
Armaments:
4 missile launchers.
1 Mk 8 114 mm cannon.
1 twin 20 mm gun.
3 mortar launchers (81 mm).
2 torpedo tubes.
2 machine-guns.
 
Basically, these are Vosper Mk 5 types.
 
DE-71 Alvand:
 
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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

Good thread going here Hellios - with fabulous photos as well.

The Iranian built Saeqeh, which means thunderbolt in Persian.

 
 
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Originally posted by Hellios Hellios wrote:

This looks like some kind of coastal defence weapon:
 
 
What is it?
 
 
 
The size and fin configuration make it look alot like a silkworm. That would be my guess.


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Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

How exactly are they keeping the F-14's flying?
 
American companies have been selling F-14 parts to Iran for decades (until recently) so Iran has probably been stocking up enough to last years, or maybe the parts can be reverse engineered, don't know...
 
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

I've read analysts say Iran probably can only get 7 in the air yet a few years ago American E-3's spotted 14 flying around.
 
Do you know how many do they have total?
 
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

I imagine they can fit the Moskit SS-N-22 Sunburn's (they probably have them though its not confirmed) on them which is the most lethal anti ship missile in the world today. Even the U.S. navy has no defense for it.
 
The F-14 also fits some serious long-range air-to-air & air-to-ground missiles & the aircraft is capable of huge bursts of speed to get into range, launch, retreat.
 


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If you mean the last Tomcat I would say Aim 54 Phoenix missile. Probably modified or upgraded by the IRIAF. It was one of the reasons the F-14 remained in service in the USN for so long as its quite a large missile. I've seen videos of the IRIAF firing MIM 23 hawks from F-14 as well but it looks more like a Phoenix.
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Such a beautiful plane:
 
 
 
 


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Would these planes have a chance against lets say a F-15C Strike Eagle or is even that too advanced for them?
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Damn, F-14s are my favorite fighters, too bad Iran has 'em. Anyways, F-14s, at least the US ones, were able to engage 6 targets up to 90 miles away, but I doubt the Iranian versions are as up to date as the US ones. 
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Adalwolf, the types of F-14a sold to Iran were more advanced than those int he US inventory. The Iranian planes can also engage 6 targets and also the missiles (Phoenix) outrange anything in the present US air to air inventory.

Vulkan, do you mean in a dog-fight? I am not sure, but like I said, the F-14 will be able to fire from a farther range and also they are very agile planes. 
 


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What?! Who the hell sold them more advanced F-14s?!? Tha't smacks of treason! 
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damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Adalwolf, the types of F-14a sold to Iran were more advanced than those int he US inventory. The Iranian planes can also engage 6 targets and also the missiles (Phoenix) outrange anything in the present US air to air inventory.

Vulkan, do you mean in a dog-fight? I am not sure, but like I said, the F-14 will be able to fire from a farther range and also they are very agile planes. 
 


Yes Zagros I checked it out and it turns out that F-14 is classified as a Fourth Generation fighter aircraft along with original F-15, F-16 and F-18. However these aircraft have been upgraded many times since then while the F-14 is only in service with Iranian armed forces being discontinued here in the US and replaced by the variants of F-18.
I guess increased range might help it a little against these planes and might even against their derivatives but I don't think it would stand a chance with newer planes like the Eurofighter, let alone the F-22 raptor.
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Originally posted by vulkan02 vulkan02 wrote:

Yes Zagros I checked it out and it turns out that F-14 is classified as a Fourth Generation fighter aircraft along with original F-15, F-16 and F-18. However these aircraft have been upgraded many times since then while the F-14 is only in service with Iranian armed forces being discontinued here in the US and replaced by the variants of F-18.
I guess increased range might help it a little against these planes and might even against their derivatives but I don't think it would stand a chance with newer planes like the Eurofighter, let alone the F-22 raptor.
I was of the opion the later model F15 should be able to take one out. The F14 is a very good dog fighter, but its old 4th gen and im not to sure about the phoenix missiles effectiveness in this scenario apart from range.

"The AIM-54 was primarily designed for long-range fleet defense against incoming bomber streams, a threat which has dimished nowadays. Although it can theoretically also be used against low-flying high-speed anti-ship missiles, there are more effective weapons for this role"Link

I read (long ago) the Iranians use F14's to co-ordinate other fighters because their radars were very powerful and i would imagine too valuable to risk at the front.



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Zagros,
 
I didn't know that Iran has Flankers...
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Vulkan, last I heard the engines and radar on the F-14s were being upgraded with new Russian technology (phased array radar?), this was in 2005, so I don't know!
 


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Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.


I know we sold them to the Shah, but that was in the 70s or something, and to my knowledge we didn't send them any upgrades are spare parts, so I thought the Iranian F-14s basically just sat in their hangers!
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Originally posted by Adalwolf Adalwolf wrote:

Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.


I know we sold them to the Shah, but that was in the 70s or something, and to my knowledge we didn't send them any upgrades are spare parts, so I thought the Iranian F-14s basically just sat in their hangers!


Yes US stopped all sales after that of parts and everything. Iranians, like Zagros said, upgraded the radar and modified the plans so it fires RD russian missiles instead of US' AIM. Who knows they might have even changed the tracking system to that of the MIG-29 and made the plane more effective.

The F-14 might be just as good as the latest of planes when your talking about ranged and weapon capability. Im really doubtful though, that its speed and agility can match that of the latest fighters.


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Originally posted by Laelius Laelius wrote:

damnit kid read your history, before the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Mullahs the Iranian Shah Reza Pahlavi was an ally of the US(Heck the initial post-revolutionary government was open to working with the US).  The US sold the F-14s to what was at the time an ally of the US.
 
80 of them to be exact. I'm assuming they canabalized some to fix others. Does anyone know how many are functional today? (unless it's already mentioned earlier in the thread Embarrassed)
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Airborne tanker:
 


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Azarakhsh: 
 
 


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