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    Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 06:46
As some of you may know I am staying in Mexico City at the moment.

Now, when I see something weir here I've often thought that it can't possibly get any more ridiculous, but tonight I have decided never to think that again. Because it always can get more moronic.

On the Paseo de la Reforma this week an cultural event was organized, during which several countries used the opportunity to show their music, cuisine, clothing and antisemitic propaganda.

I was planning on visiting it but I almost forgot it until I coincidentally ended up on the Reforma this night. It was the last night of the event and most countries were already breaking down their exhibits. One exception however was the Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran had one of the largest exhibits. A large part of it showed posters explaining how excellent the status of women's rights in Iran is and how similar Islam and Catholicism are.

Because it was the last evening the Iranian ambassador, mr. Ghadiri, appeared to talk about Iran and Islam. At the time I arrived he was just explaining how Islam's vision on the Virgin Mary is similar to Catholicism's vision. After all, Muslims believe just like Catholics that Mary was a Virgin when Jesus was born, that Jesus had no human father and that therefore His birth was a miracle. The Jews however believe there was nothing special about Jesus' birth. They claim Mary was guilty of adultery, one of the worst crimes that exist.

The ambassadors manipulations were as agile as they were revolting. Mexicans know nothing about Islam or Judaism, but for most Mexicans Mary is more important than God or Jesus. If you tell a Mexican that Muslims honor Mary as well while Jews think she was some kind of slut he is guaranteed to become pro-Muslim and anti-Jewish. The ambassador played the game very well, only once he always got carried away. When somebody from the audience started to ask difficult theological questions about the position of Jesus and Muhammad in Islam Ghadiri started to explain he though Islam was more logical than Christianity. Allah is the only true God; just his name makes it obvious. Allah is neither a masculine nor a feminine word, Dios is a masculine word. Dios can have a plural, dioses, Allah is always singular. According to the ambassador Christians believe God is a Trinity: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. But that would mean that before Jesus' birth there only the Father and the Holy Spirit existed and that God was a duity. When some people in the audience started to make disagreeing noises Ghadiri decided that this was not really a good subject to discuss and he started to blast the Jews again.

Meanwhile his aides started to hand out dvd's with a Spanish version of an Iranian movie about the Virgin Mary.

"If Muhammad condemns murder, then how is possible that your president, Ahmadinejad, who certainly is a Muslim, has called to wipe Israel of the map?" somebody in the audience wanted to know. "Just have a look on a map of the Middle East", Ghadiri responded, "can you find Palestine? That country doesn't exist any more. Israel took over Palestine by terror and keeps it occupied illegally. If the Holocaust really was a reason to found a Jewish homeland for the Jews it should have been founded on German territory, not on Arab." The remark that the Palestines were awarded their own state in 1948 by the United Nations, but that the Arab monarchs refused to recognize the plan and have refused to aid the Palestines in any significant way since that day if they couldn't make some kind of political gain out of it was brushed away by the ambassador. When the same person referred to God who after all had awarded Palestine to the followers of Moses Ghadiri replied that the Jews were no followers of Moses any more. After all Moses had also said that God would send a new messenger, or Messiah, but the Jews refused to recognize him. The Christians and Muslims did recognize Jesus and therefore they have the right to rule Israel, unlike the Jews. The Jews even tried to persecute the early Christians.

Ghadiri was of the opinion that there was nothing antisemitic about Iran's policy. After all, Iran struggles for a state for the Palestine people, and it doesn't matter if they are Christian, Muslim of Jewish. Furthermore Iran has one seat in its parliament reserved for Jews, one for Zoroastrians and two for Christians so unlike Israel Iran is respectful towards its minorities. In fact, it is Israel that tries to subjugate a large part of the Middle East. Israel's flag contains two blue lines, which according to Ghadiri refer to the Euphrates and the Nile, and it is Israel's ambition to control the area between those rivers. A woman in the audience (the only person to ask critical questions apart from the previous person) protested: those blue lines don't refer to the Euphrates and the Nile. It refers to the talit, the traditional rug Jews use for their prayers and the theory that it refers to the Euphrates and the Nile is an antisemitic canard. Another person from the audience shouted that the ambassador of Iran surely knew more about the subject than a random person from the audiance. Ghadiri repeated his argument and stated it was Israels ambition to subjugate "all fourteen countries" (even with creative country I get only nine countries) between both rivers.

To end his speech he repeated that he was not an antisemite. Although both world wars were fought between Christian nations it doesn't make all Christians murderers of nazis, the fact that the Taliban militia who falsely claim to be muslims terrorise Afghanistan doesn't mean that all Muslims are terrorist, and the fact that the terrorist country of Israel is being governed by Jew doesn't make all Jewis Zionists or Facists. To back up his claim he showed a picture of Ahmadinejad shaking hands with those moronic ultra-orthodox Holocaust denying rabbi's.

Thus ended his speech, a speech loaded with classical antisemitic canards and sugarcoating Iran's criminal regime. The reaction of the audience? Of several dozen people who attended his lecture at least ninety percent applauded. The four or five people who didn't applaud included the person who asked the Christian questions, the woman who rebutted Ghadiri's flag theory and her husband, and me.

I didn't know it was possible, but Ghadiri's manipulative demagoguery did manage to make me even more atheist while lowering my faith in humanity while he was at it. As long as you tell people something that connects with things they are familiar with you can make them believe whatever nonsense you want them to believe. Most Mexicans don't know nothing about Iran, Israel, Judaism, or Islam, but that is never an excuse for stupidity or gullibility. Ninety percent of the audience accepted Ghadiri's bullshit without even questioning him for second, just because he thought Mary was cool too. The two persons who did dare to criticize Ghatiri's story were received more critically than Ghadiri himself.

I am seriously thinking about writing a letter to Proceso (Mexico's foremost news/opinion/investigative journalism magazine). It's no surprise that the Iranian ambassador is an antisemite, but to abuse a cultural event to spew out bollocks and to manipulate Mexicans to a pro-Iranian point of view is something that shouldn't go unnoticed.

Oh, and it should go without saying that I support Iranian's protest against their nutjob government.
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What did you expect from a representative of that regime? A fair and balanced view based on historical fact? Or a story which just plays on Catholic stereotypes?
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Was he an intelligent man doing it on purpose or an idiot getting lucky do you think?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2009 at 11:30
That's pollitics LOL

I think its wrong that he collectively speaks on behalf of the Jewish religion, unless he is a Rabbi or theologian he really has no right to make such controversial allegations.

In my opinion you can criticize Israel without being anti-semitic but this guy just sounded like he was playing to the audience.

Isn't there a large Jewish population in Mexico? I didn't think there was any anti-semitism problems there.



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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

What did you expect from a representative of that regime? A fair and balanced view based on historical fact? Or a story which just plays on Catholic stereotypes?

It's not so much the ambassador that surprised me but rather the audience being that gullible.


Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Was he an intelligent man doing it on purpose or an idiot getting lucky do you think?

Definitely the first one. The way he was going on about the Virgin Mary was definitely on purpose. Otherwise he wouldn't have a pile of dvd's ready. The grin on his face spoke volumes as well.

Originally posted by Bulldog Bulldog wrote:

Isn't there a large Jewish population in Mexico? I didn't think there was any anti-semitism problems there.

Not really, several 10.000s at most. I don't think antisemitism is exceptionally strong. There are a number of nazi admirers, but most of them are ignorant people who get excited by uniforms and war rather than convinced antisemites I think.
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