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    Posted: 11-Dec-2006 at 04:26
"Iran on Monday opened a Holocaust conference that it said would examine whether the genocide took place, claiming the meeting was an opportunity for discussion in an atmosphere free of Western taboos."
 
"This conference seeks neither to deny nor prove the Holocaust," Mousavi said. "It is just to provide an appropriate scientific atmosphere for scholars to offer their opinions in freedom about a historical issue."
 
 
"Rabbi Moishe Ayre Friedman, left, from Austria, give his business card to a Muslim clergyman, as Rabbi Ahron Cohen from England, looks on."
 
 
 
"Rabbis from different countries, listen to Iranian Foreign Minister, Manouchehr Mottaki."
 
 
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So what does the conference hope to achieve?

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Well,if they do not seek to prove or to deny the holocaust,it's simply political bs.Dust for the media.
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Mostly, I think he did it to piss off the Israelis, Germans and Americans. It worked.

And you also have to remember, Iran is not in Europe and was in no way involved like the guilty countries in which such questioning is now illegal; therefore, Iranians are not bombarded with the evidence all the time, all they have ever heard is its use in poltically motivated propaganda from foreign countries, and some question it, rightly or wrongly.

I think this "conference" has been way over hyped, it is best ignored and left out of the public spotlight in the West... all of the furore will actually give ammunition to American/European anti-Jews (I don't like using the word "semite" in this context).

My opinion is that the holocaust should NOT be politicised by ANYONE either Zionists or their opponents for such things blemish the memory of the victims.
    

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Ultra orthodox Jews speak on Zionism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

When he mentions the Holocaust, he calls it "so-called" - I find this funny.


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thats just propaganda...that guy doesnt even look Jewish
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How exactly do you "look Jewish"?
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Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

thats just propaganda...that guy doesnt even look Jewish


You are so in denial of anything that does not fit your americanocentric world view. Maybe you will find this a little bit more pursuading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPF6PCU_RI

Not that I support the dismantlement of Israel, but I find it funny that Jews actually do.

Dismantling Israel would not bring any good. Antisemitism is so deeply ingrained today in Arab hearts that once the structures that protect Israelis are gone, horrible crimes against them may be committed.

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Originally posted by bg_turk bg_turk wrote:

Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

thats just propaganda...that guy doesnt even look Jewish


You are so in denial of anything that does not fit your americanocentric world view. Maybe you will find this a little bit more pursuading:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPPF6PCU_RI

Not that I support the dismantlement of Israel, but I find it funny that Jews actually do.

Dismantling Israel would not bring any good. Antisemitism is so deeply ingrained today in Arab hearts that once the structures that protect Israelis are gone, horrible crimes against them may be committed.

 
Saladin didn't reciprocate the crusaders. Ofcourse the Israeli war criminals should be tried. Horrible crimes against the Palestinians are being committed as we speak. Jews were in Palestine before Israel and those who wish to remain should take Palestinian citizenship. Oh! and take a citizenship test. 
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Everyone knows the Holocaust happened, denying it is simply irresponsible. What he is trying to do is stupid: connecting the legitimacy of Israel with the Holocaust. What is important is not coming up with a reason to de-legitimize and destroy Israel, but to address the injustices against Palestinian refugees. This is not helped by this bizarre act of intimidation.
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There's a big Holocaust museum 3 streets from my home:
 
 
 
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At first I had nothing against this conference as i thought it would reach teh sensible conclusion, given that it was apparently providing a forum for free and open speech among intellectuals.

But the inclusion of the likes of David Duke unequivocally exposed it for what it is and it makes me ashamed to have to be associated with a country represented by that sociopathic loser Ahmadinezhad.

On the same note I must also air my disgust with Western media yet again misquoting Ahmadinezhad to make the situation look even worse.
    

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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

At first I had nothing against this conference as i thought it would reach teh sensible conclusion, given that it was apparently providing a forum for free and open speech among intellectuals.
 
Well, these men look fairly intellectual.  Anyhow (to me) the Islamic cleric looks more friendly than the Rabbis:
 
 
 
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

But the inclusion of the likes of David Duke unequivocally exposed it for what it is and it makes me ashamed to have to be associated with a country represented by that sociopathic loser Ahmadinezhad.
 
Who's David Duke & what's his problem? Smile
 
 
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

On the same note I must also air my disgust with Western media yet again misquoting Ahmadinezhad to make the situation look even worse. 
 
Which misquote? 


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They may have some intellectuals but they are all anti-Zionist or anti-Jew, but as far as I have observed there have been no noteworthy historians there to argue against the revisionists and deniers.

Those Rabbis are anti-Zionist Jews, some of them claimt eh holocasut has been exaggerated and misused, while others just claim the latter.

David Duke is an ex-KKK grand wizard of oz and just a racist - even if his arguments have any basis they have no credibility based on their source, and his presence has completely undermined the validity and intent of the conference.

New misquote from this conference stating that he explitly said that Israel should be wiped off the map (again), when all he in fact did was say that it would go the same way as the USSR.

The first misquote when he said that israel would be wiped off the map didn;t happen either - he was quoting his love Khomeini (dead one) in saying that the "Zionist regime would go the way of the Shah's regime".
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Thanks.
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How exactly do you "look Jewish"?


I think he means like this Wink:


Now on David Duke:

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He says he does not think of himself as a racist, however, stating that he is a "racial realist" and that he believes that "all people have a basic human right to preserve their own heritage."[6] He speaks against racial integration and in favor of white separatism.


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In 1974, David Duke founded the Louisiana-based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, a Ku Klux Klan group, shortly after graduating from LSU. He first received broad public attention during this time, as he successfully marketed himself in the mid-1970s as a new brand of Klansman — well-groomed, engaged, and professional. Duke also reformed the organization, promoting nonviolence and legality, and, for the first time in the Klan's history, women were accepted as equal members and Catholics were encouraged to apply for membership


Quote Duke is the president of the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO), and remains a political activist against affirmative action, hate crime laws, and non-European immigration into the United States. Duke has gained a small audience in Ukraine and a larger one in the Arab world for his opposition to Zionism. [27]



BTW, EURO isn't like a real agency, it's a white supremacist organization.

Basically he believes that the US should follow an apartheid policy based on skin color (which is bad). Whereas he believes that other races shouldn't receive any undeserved treatment (which is good).

Also, he's one of those anti-zionist, holocaust denier types. Which I agree with Zagros, in that he doesn't offer anything substantial to any conference on that issue.
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Originally posted by JanusRook JanusRook wrote:

Whereas he believes that other races shouldn't receive any undeserved treatment (which is good).


You mean like those "old boys" network in America's political and corporate systems (almost exclusively White) and "affirmative action" in America's top universities and colleges based on daddy and mummy's social status and donations (which is also almost always exclusively White)?

If not, what kind of undeserved treatment based on race are you talking about?

No one can talk about any "non-White" races in America receiving "undeserved treatment" as long as America remains such a deeply-divided "classed" society based almost entirely on race.     
    
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CNN interview with Duke:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BTic3F6clrM

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If not, what kind of undeserved treatment based on race are you talking about?


I was talking about the belief that society "owes" someone something or someone "owes" society something based on one's perceived historical status.

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No one can talk about any "non-White" races in America receiving "undeserved treatment" as long as America remains such a deeply-divided "classed" society based almost entirely on race.     


I have always found, unlike Duke, the racial categorization of America to be a stupid institution. It makes far more sense for people to be classed separately in ethnic (in regards to demographics) and financial brackets (in regards to the redistribution of government funding).

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Back on topic, I fail to see what Iran hopes to accomplish with this meeting, perhaps by bringing up a topic relevant to the jewish consciousness and inviting jewish thinkers they are trying to show the world that even though they are anti-Israel they aren't necessarily anti-Jewish?


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JanusRook:

The audience for this charade is the Arab, and more broadly, the Moslem world.
 
"Israel is a tool of the West."  "Israel oppresses Arabs at the behest of the West."  "Iran is the standard bearer of Islam."  "Shoa is a fraud the West uses to justify its terror against Moslems."  Part of the theory of the Big Lie.....used by other tyrrants before.
 
Those rabbis are dumb enough to lend their presence to this and make it look legit.
 
Political theater, or political circus with Ahmadinejad as ring master.
 
 
 
 
 

 

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