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Then according to your own twisted logic the Palestinians never made a terror attack since every Israeli jew (man or woman) is either a reservist on active duty or will be in active duty or was on active duty. So all are soldiers and thus are legal targets for suicide attacks.

 
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

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occupation troops in foreign countries can also be off duty...

the point is there is a clear-cut definition of terrorism, and by using this word you instrumentalize it for your own political agenda if used inaccuartely. some groups instrumentalize the word genocide for their own agendas but what prevents us from calling every war in history as genocide? same goes for terrorism. terrorism can most certainly not applied for each and every case of murder/assassination. as i understand, from the point of view of the perpetrators, the guys in question were occupation troops. furthermore, from what i can see, in both instances the targets were carefully selected and not randomly targeted as would be the case with terrorism.


You deliberately ignored the rest of my post. Two pizza delivery guys were shot with the intention of murder. Over 60 shots were fired, including on those as they lay on the ground. I don't wish to jump on the 'terrorism' bandwagon, far from it, but I merely state that the behaviour of these people was that of a terrorist, what else is it - domestic feud?. Any political agenda I may have is irrelevant.
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

Then according to your own twisted logic the Palestinians never made a terror attack since every Israeli jew (man or woman) is either a reservist on active duty or will be in active duty or was on active duty. So all are soldiers and thus are legal targets for suicide attacks.

 
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that's not "twisted logic". soldiers being off duty even deep in foreign coutnries is a fact. and opposed to your logic, not everyone who ever served in the military once is a soldier forever. obviously people are not born soldiers. THAT would be "twisted logic"
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Actually I am with Paul on the Irish descent thing. I mean most people who claim to be Irish have English, Welsh or scottish surnames including the famed Mr. Gerry Adams. Ireland has been under direct or indirect control from English and Viking (ie Germanic nations) since the 11th century AD.

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SO are Palestinian suicide attacks are legitimate?
 
This is a yes or no question by the way.
 
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You deliberately ignored the rest of my post. Two pizza delivery guys were shot with the intention of murder. Over 60 shots were fired, including on those as they lay on the ground. I don't wish to jump on the 'terrorism' bandwagon, far from it, but I merely state that the behaviour of these people was that of a terrorist, what else is it - domestic feud?. Any political agenda I may have is irrelevant.


it wasn't deliaberate, i didn't knew there were pizza delivery guys invovled until you brought it up, i only got pissed by Spartakus' thoughtless mention of "terroirsm" which seemed inehrently out of context here. i just wanted to make a point regarding the nomenclature of the word terrorism in general.

yet, combing back to my cheesy argumentation, the Marquis also shot "collaborators" and whetaher they actually were collaborators or not, no court ever judged. such matters are always difficult. and we could stills ay it was collateral damage. one of the major indications for terrorim is, terrorists usually target locations (as opposed to individuals).
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Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

Actually I am with Paul on the Irish descent thing. I mean most people who claim to be Irish have English, Welsh or scottish surnames including the famed Mr. Gerry Adams. Ireland has been under direct or indirect control from English and Viking (ie Germanic nations) since the 11th century AD.

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What does it matter anyway? That is the real question. It only becomes an issue if you make it so.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Mar-2009 at 19:19
as a moderator, i should mention that we should come back to the topic now perhaps... Embarrassed


but before that,
Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

 
Haven't you heard of WWII all you ultranationalists surrender in the end.


that would include you as well... Tongue
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Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Paul's not a moderator unless you refer to me... 
 
Temujin I've refered to you as many things over the years, but never moderate.LOL
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I don't know which is more depressing, the sad news this thread was meant too highlight, or some of the comments within it?


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how you dare making fun of Oscar Wilde anyways you savage... Tongue so you're a proponent of Beardsley or not?
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Peter? Nope never a toon fan
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Originally posted by Paul Paul wrote:

Peter? Nope never a toon fan


English proove again that they have no culture other than football:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_Beardsley Wink
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The question of representation rears its head here. If this group has no support, is it terrorist or merely criminal?
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out of my belly, i would say it was criminal. you could actually argue that terrorism has at least minority representation, criminality has never popular support.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don't know which is more depressing, the sad news this thread was meant too highlight, or some of the comments within it?




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Is terrorism in the eyes of the perpetrator or in the eyes of the victim? No doubt they consider themselves terrorists, but should their 'cause' be unrepresentative, it might be more useful to call them criminals, and not value their action with the term 'terrorist', if that be possible.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Is terrorism in the eyes of the perpetrator or in the eyes of the victim? No doubt they consider themselves terrorists, but should their 'cause' be unrepresentative, it might be more useful to call them criminals, and not value their action with the term 'terrorist', if that be possible.


both i would say. of course that doesn't always works out perfectly. the problem is much deeper, i mean the Vietcong also had suicide bombers and perhaps they would be considdered a terrorist organization today?
by analyzing the word, what does 'terror' imply? groupings that resort to terror-tactics target civilian groups with it, they also need a certain randomness about it, they want to create the image that it can happen anytime to anyone, this is the very definition of terrorism = people living in constant fear.
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Locked for 24 hours. I'm sure I don't need to explain why, needless to say we are reviewing this thread in the mods room.
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