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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

It's racial supremacism. 

" we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race."

"Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings"

"for the making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire" (Ein Volk, ein Reich!!)

"more territory simply means more of the Anglo-Saxon race more of the best the most human, most honourable race the world possesses"

 
That proves my thesis that Nazi Germany just copied the British Empire, and that it was the source of inspiration for the dreams of glory of Hitler, the invasion of Russia and the Holocaust
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
Because those European nations don't have large percentage " racial minorities " except for UK Germany France & Russia.
 


You're wrong. If you go to any major European capital today you'll find people of all colours, languages, and religion. Try Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Zurich, Viena, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon, Milan, Rome.....

The point is that the principal dividers of European societies is not "race", but ethnicity (perceived identity), religious background, nationality, and (most important of all) social class.
In many European countries, ethnic groups with visible "racial differences" are far better integrated and accepted than other ethnic groups with little or no visible racial differences.
For example, in Italy the most discriminated nationality are the Rumanian Gypsies, followed by Albanians and North Africans; none of which are "racially distant" to autoctonous Italians.
In Spain, black Africans, Chinese, Colombians, and Cubans are far more accepted than North African muslims; yet "racially" speaking, the difference between Iberians and North Africans are far more subtle. Even among Arabs, citizens of the rich gulf-Arab states receive a very different treatment to the poor "Moorish" immigrants of north Africa.

Xenophobia, elitism, nationalism, and bigotry do exist in most European societies; yet it is very rare that one nationality would be accepted more than another just because they have the same colour of skin as the "majority".



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
 
Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

It's racial supremacism. 

" we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race."

"Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings"

"for the making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire" (Ein Volk, ein Reich!!)

"more territory simply means more of the Anglo-Saxon race more of the best the most human, most honourable race the world possesses"

 
 
That proves my thesis that Nazi Germany just copied the British Empire and that it was the source of inspiration for the dreams of glory of Hitler, the invasion of Russia and the Holocaust
 
 
 
 
 
The imperialist Japanese also modeled British system of racial classifications in occupied lands in the Asia Pacifc.
 
Japanese ( the overlord ) = first class
indigenous population = second class
immigrant-stock population = third class
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

 
 
 
Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
Because those European nations don't have large percentage " racial minorities " except for UK Germany France & Russia.
 


You're wrong. If you go to any major European capital today you'll find people of all colours, languages, and religion. Try Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Brussels, Zurich, Viena, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon, Milan, Rome.....

The point is that the principal dividers of European societies is not "race", but ethnicity (perceived identity), religious background, nationality, and ( most important of all ) social class.

 
 
 
Same as in Tokyo Shanghai Taipei Singapore and many global metropolitan cities.
 
Nope.They don't make up a large percentage of overall local population in those countries other than the ones aforementioned in my previous post.
 
Do those European countries have 15% black population & another 20% brown-Latino population ??
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

It's not racism as we speak of today. Don't get hung up on the word "race", it was used quite differently back then.

No, not really. This isn't from 1780 or anything. It was penned in 1877, at a time when race was defined more or less the same as it was during the era when individuals like William Z Ripley, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Arthur de Gobineau, etc were laying the foundations for Nazi-style racial concepts (mostly during the 1890s). Most changes to racial supremacism have been superficial at best since then (different classifications, different 'master race' and so on).

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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
Same as in Tokyo Shanghai Taipei Singapore and many global metropolitan cities.
 
Nope.They don't make up a large percentage of overall local population in those countries other than the ones aforementioned in my previous post.
 
Do those European countries have 15% black population & another 20% brown-Latino population ??
 
 


10% of the Spanish population is foreign-born. In Barcelona and Madrid these figures jump to 15-20%.
There are also between 1 and 2 million Spaniards who are of the "Gypsy" ethnicity.
As in 2008, the main foreign nationalities are Rumanian, Moroccan, Ecuadorean, Dominican, Colombian, British, German with smaller minorities of Africans from Senegal, Mali, Nigeria.

In Holland and Belgium the population of foreigners and children of foreigners is probably up to 20-30%. In Switzerland 15% of the population do not have Swiss nationality; that is not including citizens born of immigrant parents. I have a "Swiss" friend who is actually Italian. She was born in Switzerland of Sicilian parents and has lived there all her life; but she is still Italian. In her town there are many who are like her.

What would you define as a "racial minority"? Where do you draw the line of someone of the "same race" and of a "different race"? Are Moroccans and Iberians the same race or a different race? Are Colombians the same race as Spaniards? Are Germans and Brits the same race as Spaniards? Are Italians and Albanians the same race?

Unlike the USA, most European countries, with the exception of UK, are forbidden by law to make census based on "race", partly because "racial categories" are not so easy to define.



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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

 
 
Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
Same as in Tokyo Shanghai Taipei Singapore and many global metropolitan cities.
 
Nope.They don't make up a large percentage of overall local population in those countries other than the ones aforementioned in my previous post.
 
Do those European countries have 15% black population & another 20% brown-Latino population ??
 
 

10% of the Spanish population is foreign-born. In Barcelona and Madrid these figures jump to 15-20%.


 
 
California is over 50% non-White and in most cities as well.
 
Since late 1990's,there is a box for multi-racial individuals to accomodate America's ever diversed population.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
California is over 50% non-White and in most cities as well.
 
Since late 1990's,there is a box for multi-racial individuals to accomodate America's ever diversed population.
 
 
 


Benidorm and some parts of the Canary Islands are more than 50% British and German.

By all means, I think that classifying people by "race" doesn't make any sense.
In most European countries the population could be classified by
- passport (to distinguish citizens and foreigners)
- place of birth (to distinguish citizens by birth and immigrants)
In other non-official census other factors such as religion, and nationality of parents could be taken into account; which also makes sense; but "race" is a category too difficult to define its precise borders.


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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

 
 
Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
California is over 50% non-White and in most cities as well.
 
Since late 1990's,there is a box for multi-racial individuals to accomodate America's ever diversed population.
 
 



By all means, I think that classifying people by "race" doesn't make any sense.



 
 
It's a " tool " of racist-imperialists of European Imperialism.
 
My early years in the US,I didn't understand why would people refer themselves by " color " Confused.It took me some years to get use to calling majority population by the word " White ".
 
 
 
 
 
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"The white race" was invented at an age during which the countries of the entire world were falling into 2 categories: the empires and the colonies.
Due to the fact that industrialization began in northern Europe, most "imperial nations" were light-skinned Europeans, while people of the colonies were mostly darker.
This was when British, French, Belgian, and Germans felt that by being European and light skinned they were naturally superior to the rest of human beings because it was what they saw all over the world.
At the same Darwin proposed the evolution theory, and a handful of pseudo-scientists invented he notion of different biological races of man that had distinct origins.
 
The greatest irony is: although racists abused Darwinist theories; Darwin himself didn't agree in the existence of biological races. According to his very theory, all human beings must have shared a common ancestor, and his prediction was that we all originated in Africa; which explains the great diversity in African phenotypes.
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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

 
 
"The white race" was invented at an age during which the countries of the entire world were falling into 2 categories: the empires and the colonies.
 
Due to the fact that industrialization began in northern Europe, most "imperial nations" were light-skinned Europeans.
 
The greatest irony is: although racists abused Darwinist theories
 
 
 
 
 
This phenomenon extended to Asia in recent years,Japan being the first and only full-fledged industrialized non-European nation of mostly light-skinned Orientals.Also Sinophobes lend support to the theory of " pure " northern Mongoloid ( de facto Siberian-Mongolic ) origin for Japanese,the fact is otherwise.
 
Asia mirrors Europe past and present,southerners were the cultured people historically regarded population of the north as uncivilized " barbarians ".The trend reversed in the last 2-3 centuries and continues to present time.
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

It's a " tool " of racist-imperialists of European Imperialism.
 


Hello pebbles. I think we agree that it is used like a tool. However, i don't think it has anything to do with the over used charge of racist imperialist Europeans. That may have been true at some time in the past. Now it is used by any ethnicity with an axe to grind, or so it appears.

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My early years in the US,I didn't understand why would people refer themselves by " color " Confused.It took me some years to get use to calling majority population by the word " White ".
 


You don't understand because it has all become politically driven. I mean if i were to tell you that i was some average white guy, images of the typical white person will probably start dancing in your head. Affluent, intelligent, greedy, selfish, uncaring, mean spirited, keeping people of color down & ect... all the negative connotations and stereotypes you can think of might come into play!  What would the truth be behind that statement? Well, the truth is very, very boring.

Affluent - I'm certainly not rich or well off, in fact... i'm probably about to lose my home, again. Intelligent - i hope i am, but i must humbly state that i was only able too attend some college but couldn't finish for private circumstances. As far as being greedy, selfish or uncaring - I'd give the shirt off my back for any person in need, regardless of color, religion, nationality & ect. Mean spirited - Heck, i've got a guilty conscience a mile long. And danged if you haven't got me too admit to it!Wink

So.. what are you really learning about the average white person? Truth be told, they are no different then anyone else. Racism exists in all colors. Thinking it only exists in whites only, is a little naive. I'm not saying you are, mind you. I'm just saying that believing ones race is impervious to racism and perfectly acceptable in another, seems quite racist in itself. Wouldn't you think?
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Ironically, I find the American affirmative action rather racist in itself; because it constantly reminds people that the difference in "races", and whatever you do they ask you to fill in your "race". Rather than encouraging intermixing, it is fomenting racial separatism.
 
Personally, I wouldn't be so happy if the society in which I live constantly reminds me in a "patronizing" manner that I belong to a "disadvantaged minority" that needs public sympathy... I would find it rather insulting in fact.
In a way, it could possibly drive minorities to look down their own genetic heritage because they are constantly reminded that it is a social "disadvantage" that needs to be compensated.
 
I reckon the best way to fight against racism is to not make so much a fuss about racial differences. Certain cases of discrimination should be dealt with, yes; but by categorizing people into racial category for every type of statistics is going way too far.
 
 
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

 
 
I think we agree that it is used like a tool. However, I don't think it has anything to do with the over used charge of racist imperialist Europeans.That may have been true at some time in the past.Now it is used by any ethnicity with an axe to grind, or so it appears. 

Racism exists in all colors.Thinking it only exists in whites only, is a little naive. I'm not saying you are, mind you. I'm just saying that believing ones race is impervious to racism and perfectly acceptable in another, seems quite racist in itself. Wouldn't you think ?

 
 
 
 
It has lingering legacy,Western people ( not all are like that ) seemingly are more incline to racist view in thoughts and behaviours.As I've clearly stated in one post,their pre-17th CE ancestors weren't like that.
 
In America & Europe,there have been racially-motivated hate crimes commited against Asians ( even during great economic boom of the 90's in America ) Middle-Easterners Central-Asians Blacks etc.
 
Of-course,all other races are capable of practicing racism.Japanese can be very racist,some resident foreigners ( include Western people ) feel the sting of bigotry living there.I have been told  that " prejudice " is a human nature by someone who has a psychology degree.I don't doubt there are people do use the " race card " to gain advantage or as blame game.
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 In America & Europe,there have been racially-motivated hate crimes commited against Asians ( even during great economic boom of the 90's in America ) Middle-Easterners Central-Asians Blacks etc.
 
 
Hate crimes exist everywhere. I heard that Indonesia and Malaysia have a very high rate of hate attacks against people of Chinese origin.
In India, hate attacks are common between Hindus and Muslims.
 
In most European countries, hate crimes are perpetuated by a small minority of extremists; and tend to be strongly condemned by public opinion. At least in Madrid, Barcelona, and Madrid, whenever there was a xenophobic attack, most people who come out to protest are not minorities nor foreigners, but autoctonous nationals.
 
I also like to specify that the ideology of Far-Right groups in Europe and the USA are somewhat different.
In the USA it usually involves a "white supremacist" ideology; while in European countries it is commonly linked with "extreme nationalism", which are not the same. "White supremacism" has very few followers in Europe, except very isolated neo-nazi groups.
 
The French National Front, for example, is openly xenophobic, anti-Islam, and anti-semetic, but they rarely mentioned the word "race". Ironically, it recruits a fair percentage of followers of African, Carribean, and North-African descent assimilated into French mainstream society.
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

It has lingering legacy,Western people ( not all are like that ) seemingly are more incline to racist view in thoughts and behaviours.

Smells like bullshit to me. Please show me some sources on this.
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Hate crimes exist everywhere. I heard that Indonesia and Malaysia have a very high rate of hate attacks against people of Chinese origin.
 
In India,hate attacks are common between Hindus and Muslims.
 
 
 
 
Aren't those places colonized by the British Empire except Indonesia was ruled under Dutch East India Trading Company ?!
 
Several South-Pacific born ethnic Chinese forumites @ CHF discussed the issue extensively.European colonial powers had " divide & conquer " strategy by placing the " foreigner " Chinese in commerce as middlemen and keeping the indigenous population as manual labor force in lower-tier economic class.This is the root cause of ethnic rift or clash.Of-course,there are some other factors ( mainly economic ) involved in modern time.I am not from there,so have nothing more to add.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by edgewaters edgewaters wrote:

It's racial supremacism. 

" we are the finest race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race."

"Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable specimens of human beings"

"for the making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire" (Ein Volk, ein Reich!!)

"more territory simply means more of the Anglo-Saxon race more of the best the most human, most honourable race the world possesses"

This is plainly racial supremacism.

Whether or not racial conditions were attached to the scholarships is irrelevant, Rhodes' idea was that Anglo-Saxons were "the best" "race" and they should rule the world, and the scholarship was set up with the object of cultivating sympathizers to that end. Their race didn't matter, so long as they advanced the interests of Anglo-Saxon supremacism.

 
The concept of 'racism' as we use the term today is indelibly associated with the idea of racial purity - as it was with the Nazis. It has just about forever in British history been true that the 'Anglo-Saxon' or 'English' 'race' is not pure but hybrid/mongrel. That was (and still to some extent is) advanced by those who believe in 'Anglo-Saxon' supremacy as a major reason for it - hybridisation is seen as strengthening the 'race' not tainting it.
 
I'm pretty sure that's why Rhodes for instance would have considered the 'Anglo-Saxons' superior to the 'pure' German stock (of which he had a low opinion, in common with many Englishmen of his generation and the following one). And I'm pretty sure he would have admired explorers like Shackleton, generals like Wellington, admirals like Saumarez, empire builders like Robert Clive, engineers like James Watt - maybe even a politician like Disraeli, for creating the idea of the Indian Empire - and above all perhaps Queen Victoria despite their varying degrees of Irish, Scots, Jewish, Norman and German (etc.) 'blood'. And of course he was a close political ally of the German-born Lord Milner in the run-up to the Boer War.
 
So again you are wrong to attribute to Rhodes concepts of racial descent and superiority that he - and other imperialists - would not have shared. Or, probably, even considered.
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Originally posted by Styrbiorn Styrbiorn wrote:

Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

It has lingering legacy,Western people ( not all are like that ) seemingly are more incline to racist view in thoughts and behaviours.

Smells like bullshit to me. Please show me some sources on this.
 
Forget about "sources."  You can find anything on the Web...including probably the "anti-StormFront."  LOL
 
This whole thread smells like BS because 99% of it is.
 
 
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Originally posted by pebbles pebbles wrote:

 
Aren't those places colonized by the British Empire except Indonesia was ruled under Dutch East India Trading Company ?!
 
Several South-Pacific born ethnic Chinese forumites @ CHF discussed the issue extensively.European colonial powers had " divide & conquer " strategy by placing the " foreigner " Chinese in commerce as middlemen and keeping the indigenous population as manual labor force in lower-tier economic class.This is the root cause of ethnic rift or clash.Of-course,there are some other factors ( mainly economic ) involved in modern time.I am not from there,so have nothing more to add.
 
You might be right but you can't blame all the problems on the Europeans.
As far as I know, hate crimes have always existed and is independent of any biological racist ideology. It is an extreme form of intolerance to anyone who's different: different color, accent, dress style, religion.. or whatever. It is part of a tribal instinct taken to the extreme.
 
As early as the 1st century A.D., a hate mob of Greeks and Egyptians exploded in the city of Alexandria who murdered, set fire, and looted the Jewish community.
In Istanbul back in the 50s and 60s; Turkish mobs looted Greek businesses....
Last year, xenophobic violence exploded in South Africa where zulu and native tribesmen beat up on immigrants from neighbouring countries randomly.
In Rumanian, there are hate crimes directed against Gypsies, Muslims, and members of the Hungarian minority.
In Chiapas, Mexico, Central American migrants are often beaten up by local farmers.
Black African migrants are insulted and attacked for their colour more often in Morocco and Algeria than in Spain, Portugal, or France.
 
..... the list goes on.......
 
Did they have a racial agenda? The answer is no.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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