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This is an attempt to describe the life & deeds of the persons who contributed greatly to your country, culture, people, in whatever field. Not necessarily the best or the biggest, just persons who were good / are good.
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In 1869, Riel founded the Comité National des Métis to protect his people’s rights, and helped stage the Red River Uprising for which he was exiled to the United States. Entreatied by settlers, he eventually returned to set up a provisional government and, as the self-declared prophet of his people, became embroiled in the 1885 rebellion. ILLUSTRATION OF LOUIS RIEL When the Canadian government finally responded with military force, the rebellion was quickly crushed and Riel surrendered. His subsequent trial and execution aroused bitterness and debate. Alternately described as visionary and madman, victim and villain, he remained a controversial figure in death as in life. With the perspective of time, Louis Riel has come to be seen as a combination of martyr and hero in the eyes of many Canadians.

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Pericles promoted the arts and literature; this was a chief reason Athens holds the reputation of being the educational and cultural centre of the ancient Greek world.  He started an ambitious project that built most of the surviving structures on the Acropolis (including the Parthenon).  This program beautified the city, exhibited its glory, and gave work to the people.
 
 
Furthermore, Pericles fostered the Athenian democracy, to such an extent that critics call him the first populist.
 
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Hellios, thanks for the post, would it be possible to put it in a more coincise format to make it more easily legible.
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The editor won't let me delete the colored background - strange.  How is it not legible to you?  Looks fine to me.

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This is Shivaji, the great Gurjar king, One of the most respected historical figures of my country. He was the founder of the Maratha Empire defeating mighty kingdoms of Aurangzeb, Adil Shah & Nizam Shah with armies raised from poor peasants & workers.


He is the the hero who escaped from the prison of the Mughal Emperor himself, to become the ruler of a kingdom devoted the service of the people. He matched cunning against cunning, courage against courage; he was one of the wisest rulers as also one of the greatest generals.





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And this is Vishnugupta Bhatta (also  called Chanakya, Kautilya), the founder of the first modern Indian empire in 320 B.C. He was a poor Brahamin teacher, who one fine day took the vow that he will unite the whole of the country & succeded, without much fighting.

A shrewed politician, great scholar, he wrote Arthashastra (The Science of Politics), which might be the first written treatise on Statecraft  of its kind & also Nitishastra (The Science of  Behaviour)








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To the west, it was Keplar who discovered the laws of the solar system & Copernicus discovered the Sun as the centre of the solar system, Indian astronomer ARYA BHATTA  had propounded this way back in 498 A.D. He was also a great mathmetician, having done great works on Algebra.


Born in Kusuma-Pura (modern Patma). His most famous astrological work is the Arya-Siddhanta. "The earliest Indian algebraic and astronomer with the exception of Asura-Maya" Existed in Kaliyuga´s 36th century ( 5 th century A.D.), Arya Bhatta has been a great teacher of astronomy whose work on astronomy, known as Aryabhattam, is regarded as the oldest book of its kind, that; the later astronomers and astrologers acknowledge as the Arya Principle (Arya Siddhanta). Far earlier than Copernicus, Arya Bhatta propounded and adopted the theory that not Sun but Earth revolves around the former.

He composed his first astronomical work at the early age of twenty-three. His larger work, the Arya Siddhanta, was produced at a riper age. He is probably the Andubarius (Ardubarius?) of the Chronichon Paschale, and the Arjabahr of the Arabs. Two of his works, the Dasagiti-sutra and Aryashtasata, have been edited by Kern under the title of Aryabhatiya. See Whitney in Jour. Amer. Or. Society for 1860, Dr. Bhau Daji in J. R. A. S. for 1865, and Barth in Revue Critique for 1875. There is another and later astronomer of the same name, distinguished as Laghu Arya-bhatta, i.e., Arya-bhatta the Less.



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Here is Lakshmi Mittal, the Steel King. With the take over of Arcelor, he has strengthened his position as the numero uno Steel producer of the world.

Lakshmi Mittal was ranked in bt Forbes as the third-richest man in the world, with a net worth of $25 billion. A student of the St. Xaviers College Calcutta & having been brought up with the family business, in the 1970s Mittal struck out on his own and built a steel empire through large-scale buyouts and ruthless efficiency.








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And here is another Lakshmi Mittal in the making.

Ratan Tata, head of the Tata businees house, presently the lowest cost steel maker in the world, just finalised an 8.5 billion dollar take over of the European steel group CORUS, which will make him the Fifth largest steel producer in the world.

His Tata business house is the most admired industrial group in India for his committment to ethics.


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And Here is Amitabh Bachhan, the great icon of Indian cinema, who has just recieved France's Legion d'honneur for his contribution to Indian and international culture.

The French government announced Thursday that it would be giving its highest civilian honour to the 64 year old TV and film star.



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I believe that Theodoros Kolokotronis is the most important Greek personality in Greece history after the fall of Constantinople.He was born " in a mountain,below a tree"as he says in Messenia, in 1770 and his father and many of his brothers were killed by the turkalbanian attacks. His mother raised him untill his 13th year when he joined a guerilla band of klephts. He remained illiterated untill his late life when he wrote his memoirs.
 
 
He was the major general of the Greek War Of Independence and despite he made a lot of victories (Dervenakia,Tripolis etc) his political enemies prisoned him untill the needs of War made them to liberate him. He managed to unite all the Greeks with incredible patriotism and great unselfishness so much that he died very poor and forgotten in 1843.
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Looks very impressive. Can you please post more information about him ?
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Here is VEER BANDA BAIRAGI, an ascetic who was made a warrior by Guru Gobind Singhji & founded the first Sikh state after him.





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Originally posted by Patrinos

I believe that Theodoros Kolokotronis is the most important Greek personality in Greece history after the fall of Constantinople.He was born " in a mountain,below a tree"as he says in Messenia, in 1770 and his father and many of his brothers were killed by the turkalbanian attacks. His mother raised him untill his 13th year when he joined a guerilla band of klephts. He remained illiterated untill his late life when he wrote his memoirs.
 
 
He was the major general of the Greek War Of Independence and despite he made a lot of victories (Dervenakia,Tripolis etc) his political enemies prisoned him untill the needs of War made them to liberate him. He managed to unite all the Greeks with incredible patriotism and great unselfishness so much that he died very poor and forgotten in 1843.
 
He was a great man indeed, and I admire him. Patrinos, blond hair and fair mustaches, according to your criteria he doesnt look that greek, does he? Anyway, this is another issue.
I still do not understand how come you guys still learn in your history textbooks that they fought against the turkoalbanians ???This is not true, I mean the albanians did give a contribution to the greek revolution, and themselves they fought and rebelled against the ottomans all the time. There were no turkoalbanians my friend, as there were no turkobulgarians or turkogreeks. The people rebelled against the ottoman empire, whose army was made of many ethnies. And just for curiosity, why dont you start making a research about the language of the Botsaris, Kolokotronis, Tzavelas, Bouboulina etc etc? Or why dont you make a research about some early claims of some revolutionary leaders, which wanted to build a new state from Konstantinople to Shkodra, including Albania of course. Probably if you make this research you will find even that some prominent figure at some point even asked that the albanian language could be a second official language in greece. Not now, and not in the Hoxhas regime, I am considering only the period before the 1890.
Or do not make any research, read your school books and continue believing on Turkalvanos who will come and eat you if you are not a good boy and if you dont sleep early.
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This is ADI SHANKARACHARYA, a Brahamin Bhatt (Scholar) who led a great revival of the Indian religion in mediveal history.




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Patrinos, blond hair and fair mustaches, according to your criteria he doesnt look that greek, does he?
LOLLOLLOL
I couldn't imagine that you could reach such a low level. Or you can't see good,he is just an old man Arber!!!!! His nicknames were "oGeros tou Morea"- "The Oldman of Morea(Peloponnesos),because he seemed old from his early years and the other was "Giftothodoros" because he was dark.Giftos is a nickname when someone is darker!!!!! 
Who told you that there aren't blond Greeks? From the ancient times!!!!!In small percentage but  always existed.
 
I still do not understand how come you guys still learn in your history textbooks that they fought against the turkoalbanians ???
 
Excuse me???? Who where those who attacked Peloponnesos at 1770 after a Greek attemp of Revolution )Orlofika events)????
What was Veli Gheka, Omer Vrionis, Arnaoutoglou etc??????
Who were the main force of the turkish army in Dervenakia battle??????
In Ibrahim's army????? Bekir Pasha???????
Turkalbanians(Turkalvanoi) is how we call the muslim albanians.
 
What language Kolokotronis spoke????? Of course Greek. I suppose that you mean that he was arvanite but my friend only Hoxha's book told thatLOLLet me give you some important clues for what Kolokotronis was. ( I feel strange to proove Kolokotronis' greekness but we are used with that many other Greeks)
 
 

I quote a small part of his memories as recorded to his autobiographic book.

He named the book “Narration of the events of the Greek race from 1770 to 1836”( Nice title he gave to his autobiography, does he look of Albanian origin?)

 It was 13 November of 1838( after the Independence) and he spoke to the students of Athens,he was sitting in Pnyx the place were democracy was birthed in the center of Ancient and Modern Greece, he says:

 

“In this place in which we live, the old Greeks lived here, from which we are descending and took this name.” ( What do you think?)

 

 

“ In the first year of the Revolution we had great unity,and we worked with out complains. One went to the war,his brother went to gather woods,his woman knead... if this unity continued we shall gain Thessaky and Macedonia and even reach Konstantinopolis. So much we terrified Turks , and when they saw a Greek  they run one thousand miles away. A hundred of Greeks encountered with 5000.)   (Is that enough?)

 

In the end of this speech he hailed “Zito i ellinikh neolaia”(Long live the Greek youth) { Did he say long live the albanian youth?======)

 

When he speaks about his brother he says” Kostantis  was blackeyed, fast, strong ,33 years old ,thin. The Arvanites were so scared of him that they made an oath “Not to survive from Kolokotronis sword” {Shall I continue?}

 

You must be proud because Kolokotronis tied with Ali Farmaki the most powerful Arvanite of Peloponnesos. He and Ali Farmaki accepted  a French’s general plan to create a Hellenic-Arvanitic state which will contain Ali Pasha’s pashalik , central Albania, Rumeli and Peloponnesos. With two official languages Greek and Arvanitic.

The  conclusion is: If Kolokotronis were Arvanite why would he create with the Arvanite Ali Farmaki a Hellenic –Arvanitic  state and not a Arvanitic- Arvanitic state?  {Do you want more?)

 

After the fall of Tripolis: “ I get inside and they show me the platan where Arvanites and Turks hanged the Greeks. I sighed and said “Ax how many from my family amd my naton have been hanged here” and i ordered to cut it off.”

 

When he met an Arvanite captain in Palamidi he said him “What are you doing now. Surrender all the castles and i will give you two greek ships to leave...     the Arvanite said “ We don’t give our weapons, we shall burn the land”  kolokotronis said “ What are you saying ore Arvanite, and iwhen you have burnt our land, our forefathers rebuilt it , and we will pass you all over by sword”

Do you want more?????????????

 
As for Botsaris, Tzavelas, Bouboulina you are confused. Other Arvanite and other AlbanianAngry.
Official language inGreece the albanian????? Its like an urban myth here in Greece that the greek language lost the opurtunity to become an official language in US for one voteLOLLOLLOL 
 
believing on Turkalvanos who will come and eat you if you are not a good boy
 
To don't like Turkalvanous is more "reasonable" because we don't have a ...very good... past, compared to your phobia of "Papajianni" or "Papacosta"(Greek priest generally) who will come and make you GreeksLOLLOL  


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Originally posted by Vivek Sharma

Looks very impressive. Can you please post more information about him ?
 
 
Sorry Vivek,when some "conversations killers" calm down we can continue.


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Some of the most important icons of Chile
 
Lautaro, First freedom fighter of Chile. He stopped the Spanish conquerors. Some of his tactics are studied in war academies around the world
 
Alonso de Ercilla, Spanish. He wrote in Chile La Araucana. A very important epic poem of Spanish literature in honor of the Mapuche warriors. The poem is mentioned in Don Quixote as a classic!
 
Juan Ignacio Molina, First scientist, naturalists, developed one of the earliest theories of evolution, before Darwin.
 
 
 
 
Auturo Prat, Chilean war heroe
 
 
Violeta Parra, Folk singer and outstanding folk scholar.
 
 
Salvador Allende, Politician and martir
 
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Originally posted by Arbër Z

Patrinos, blond hair and fair mustaches, according to your criteria he doesnt look that greek, does he? Anyway, this is another issue.

    
He's not blond; he's got white hair, which is pretty unavoidable (dying young or getting bald is the not-so tempting alternatives) wherever you are born.


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Olof the Skötkonung

the first king of both the Swedes and the Geats (Beowulf's people) around 1000AD. I won't translate 'skötkonung' since no one knows what it's supposed to mean anyway. Konung means king, but the rest either refers to him spending time in Scotland, being borne by Caesarian section or being minting coins.
The unification of these people signifyes the creation of Sweden according to traditional history writing. Although his daddy Erik the Victorious, king of Sweden, was a much more succesful king, conquering and making tributaries out of Finland, Karjaland, Courland and Estonia and even Denmark - he even beat the Jomsvikings lead by Styrbjörn the Strong in a mighty battle at Fyrisvellir - Olof is the only one kids get to learn the name of in school. Since I can find no picture of Olof I added one of Torgny, Lawspeaker of Tiundaland (which means Land of the Ten Hundreds, as if anyone cared) instead, who scolded Olof and forced him to listen to the people at the Uppsala Thing and make peace with the Norwegians (and pillage in the East instead) - else the free farmers would kill him and elect a new king at the Stones of Mora, which had happend alot before when they were displeased with their kings. Torgny is counted as one of the first uphelders of Swedish democracy and governace by people and is also some kind of icon.

Torgny the Lawspeaker, teaching manners to king Olaf


Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson!

Lived in the early 1400s, lead the first of many rebellions against the pesky Union Kings who tried to enforce continental feudalism and infringe on the rights of the people. After him was made the Freedom Song, an anti-union song sung by the populace and, with it's immortal opening line Freedom is the best of things(edit: this sounds more catchy in Swedish) still was learnt by schoolchildren until some decades ago, when the current social-democratic government decided that everything from before 1889, which happen to be the founding year of the Swedish Socialist's Democratic Party, is Bad. Sadly he is, as often is the case, used as some kind of hero by Neo-nazis (along with Karl XII - fortunately the knowledge of these people is not very advanced so they don't know of many more people to spoil the reputation of). He was the son of a foreigner himself, but these people don't realize that (and Karl XII was no anti-immigration dude, in fact he was a fan of the Turks, but oh well). Funnily enough, in the 1930s he was the icon of the Anti-Fascistic Left in the fight against fascism and nazism. I doubt the Nazis know that.



Engelbrekt with his sword of freedom, guarding someone's back yard



Gustav Vasa, the Land-father

Founder of Sweden as a modern state. Was elected king on the 6th of June 1523, which is now the National Day of Sweden, which hardly anyone outside Stockholm celebrates. Once elected, he readily got rid of the millenia-old Germanic democratic leader-elections and instituted heritidital  kingship and created an centralized state. He also realized that a navy was a good thing, instead of sulking about that the old Viking age ledung system of longships was obsolete and had been totally humiliated by the Hansa half a century earlier and is thusly considered to be the creator of the Royal [Swedish] Navy as well. The world's longest ski race, the Vasaloppet, is in his honour, as he took that 90km rout from Mora when trying to flee to Norway since the Dalecarlian farmers didn't want to join his rebellion. However, the Dalecarlians felt like cowards for not taking part in the provincial pastime of annual uprisings, and ski-ed after him, catching him in Sälen and started a rebellion that led to a Sweden outside the Kalmar Union. He also had a magnificent beard.


Gustav Vasa, king of Sweden




Gustav Adolf, the Great, the Lion of the North, and other more or less flattering nicknames

He took part in some wars in Europe, being generally victorious and had some really before-his-time ideas about warfare. He was killed by Croats at the battle of Lützen in 1632 since he thought it was a good idea to lead a charge against the enemy in dense fog from 100 meters in front of his troops. At least he won the battle by doing so, since the wavering Swedish troops got so pissed about his death they went berserk and smashed the Imperialists. To honour him we eat Gustav Adolf-cakes on his deathday the 6th of November.


Gustav Adolf the Great, in his famous moose-armour, which he wore because he had a too well-grown beer-belly to wear regular metal armour



Alfred Nobel, inventor of dynamite and other explosive stuff

Along with Polhem and John Ericsson one of Swedens most prominent inventors. Realizing that people didn't use his inventions to good things like engineering, but prefered to use it to kill and/or maim other people, he felt remorse and gave away his huge fortune to insitute the Nobel Prize, to award people who had made the largest benefits to mankind.

Alfred Nobel, who makes me realize you need a beard to become an Icon of Sweden



Her Royal Higness, the Duchess of Gästrikland and Hälsingland, Princess Madeleine of Sweden!

She's not a prominent Icon at all (she's got no beard), but I was talking about Nobel and I like this picture of her at the Nobel Feast.

A caption is not really needed

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

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