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    Posted: 12-Dec-2006 at 03:55
   What was original homeland of Huns .In which century they migrated from their homeland
    

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they came from this place....

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my father has some hunnic blood in him but he doesn't look turkish at all...
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Originally posted by Chagataikhanate Chagataikhanate wrote:

my father has some hunnic blood in him but he doesn't look turkish at all...


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Originally posted by Chagataikhanate Chagataikhanate wrote:

my father has some hunnic blood in him but he doesn't look turkish at all...
West Turks(Turkish) looks european,Turkics(Central Asian Turks) look like Huns.
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Originally posted by Chagataikhanate Chagataikhanate wrote:

my father has some hunnic blood in him but he doesn't look turkish at all...
West Turks(Turkish) looks european,Turkics(Central Asian Turks) look like Huns.
Not all, in Turkey more Turks look Middle Eastern than European and some do look Asian.  In Central Asia a lot of Turks look Middle Eastern and some even European, but of course most look Asian.
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The Huns are Not the peoples of Eastern stock. This is a myth told to hid the supernatural coming of the Huns. ... from the Gothic account of the Huns.   " We have ascertained that the nation of the Huns , who surpassed all others in atrocity, came thus into being. When Filimer , fifth King of Sweden, was entering Scythia, with his people, as we have before described, he found among them certain sorcerer women, whom they call in their native tongue Aliorumnas, or Al-runas, whom he suspected and drove forth from the midst of his army into the wilderness. The unclean spirits that wander up and down in desert places , seeing these women, made concubines of them, and from this unionsprang that most fierce people of the Huns who were at first little , foul ,emanciated creatures, dwelling among the swamps ,possessing only the shadow of hunman speech by way of language...... Nations whom they would never have vanquished in fair fight fled horrified from these frightful --- faces I can hardly call them , but rather ---shapeless black collops of flesh , with little points instead of eyes. No hair on thier cheeks or chins gives grace to adolescence or dignity to age, but deep furrowed scars instead down the sides of their faces, show the impress of the iron which with characteristic ferocity they apply to every male  that is born among them .... They are little in stature, but lithe and active in their motions, and especially skilful in riding , broadshouldered, good at the use of a bow and arrows, with sinewy necks, and always holding their heads high in their pride"
 
What happened to them after the death of Attilia? They returned home. What became of them?
 
 
Maybe the world needs to ask these questions?
 
 
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Some stayed and lived under the dominance of Franks, some joined Byzantine and Roman military as Goth's, Some stayed inn and Today u can see several villages in Germany and France have kept hunnic traditions, and some migrated to Crimea and Central Asia. The majority have migrated to Crimea.
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Originally posted by Kerimoglu Kerimoglu wrote:

u can see several villages in Germany and France have kept hunnic traditions

I highly doubt that.
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they say that the huns where banned from their country and that they travelled west when they stayed there there begun an famine thus they travelled more west and came in russia where they began pillage the other tribes that lived there the uncle of attilla I think began campaigns against the germanic and slavic tribes when his Uncle fell of his horse and died Attila got the power
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Originally posted by Top Gun Top Gun wrote:

they say that the huns where banned from their country and that they travelled west when they stayed there there begun an famine thus they travelled more west and came in russia where they began pillage the other tribes that lived there the uncle of attilla I think began campaigns against the germanic and slavic tribes when his Uncle fell of his horse and died Attila got the power


Yes this is True

being descendant of teh Xiongnu there original homeland was Mongolia


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I have heard some Bavarian villages in Germany have something left from Huns, and also in France I have heard. By the way, the greatest one, HUNgary.
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Originally posted by Kerimoglu Kerimoglu wrote:

I have heard some Bavarian villages in Germany have something left from Huns, and also in France I have heard. By the way, the greatest one, HUNgary.
 
that can never be the Huns where 1 not an empire that wanted that their conquerd territory took their habits
 
2 the Huns where vastly gone nobody has ever heard of them again
 
3 everybody is killed on the path of their conquests
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I think he may be talking about "faymonville" village in Belgium where the local's are called "Turc" and have a Turkish flag as their emblem.
 
 
 
I heard a story that when the Spanish fleet came to the region, the locals put up the Ottoman flag and the Spanish retreated. Also because they wern't giving the Pope money they were called "Turks". Also another story, the Nazi's came to the area but the villagers chased them away.  And another one is that they are descendants of some ancient Turkic tribe like Huns or something.
 
Anyway its pretty interesting stuff.


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Originally posted by Kerimoglu Kerimoglu wrote:

I have heard some Bavarian villages in Germany have something left from Huns, and also in France I have heard. By the way, the greatest one, HUNgary.
 
HUNgary is not derived from HUN. Actually it was derived from On-oghur and then Ongur. Hungarians were called such by other Europeans.  They, however, called themselves Majars (which was also a Turkic tribe).  I heard there is a small group in Hungary who claimed to be HUNs, and requested the title. After the collaps of HUN confederacy, we could also see Huns as tribal constitution among Turkic groups. One of the outer Uyghur nine tribes in the 8th century was called Hun in southern Siberia.   
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The Xiongnu Tribes or the Xiongnu People (old: Hsiung-nu) are often identified with the Huns that invaded Europe in the 4th century and with the White Huns (Hephthalites) that invaded northeastern India. Although there might be similarities in the name of these two people, it must be considered that the name of a mighty nomad tribe (Mongols, Tartars) was often used for very different ethnic people. Pulleyblank has shown that the language of the Xiongnu - of which we possess some words and terms preserved in Chinese literature - was related to the Siberian ethnics (Samoyeds) in the River Yennisej area, and not to the Mongols or Turks, while the Hun hords of Attila that tried to conquer Europe were surely Proto-Turks. The own name of the Xiongnu might have been Hungnor or Hunoch, a word that Chinese people could neither pronounce nor write and hence created the Chinese word Hungnu (modern pronunciation [çjvŋnu], Wade-Giles: Hsiung-nu). The syllable "hu" like in Hu 胡 is often used for barbarian, i.e. non-Chinese people.
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First of all, we all agree that the forbares of Turkic people roamed in the east Euroasia steppe, so it doesn't make sense to say a group living far from this land as the "proto-Turks".
 
There are always different types of theories in linguistics as for a historical group whose language wasn't recorded such as Xiongnu. Still it would be interesting if you can provide the link. However, it won't suprise me if any Siberian group still keeping the archaic form of Hunnic language.
 
We have Chinese historical documents from Shiji, Hanshu, Weishu, Suishu, Tangshu, Hou Tangshu etc as for the relation between Xiongnu and Turkic tribes.  Tujue is Turuk, Tiele is Tura.  All these documents confirm that Tura tribes are the decendants of Xiongnu. (No Chinese historian ever claimed otherwise, evenif they really want politically Uyghurs not to be a rival group for Chinese.) 
 
Chinese people surely can pronounce and write Hun (hun also can be Chinese word), they used Xiongnu (fierce slaves) just to express their hate for this group who had been harassing them for centuries.  However, we can notice among nine outer Uyghur tribes in Chinese record exactly as HUN later. 
 
 
 
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Oghuz Khan, was the founder of the Hunnic empire. In fact, he is the "Motu(n) Khan" (Mete Khan). His story talks about how he united most of nomads. Attila is just a later leader (of the same group; Hun). They were Proto-Turks, because their language was, kind of, a development of Old Altaic, towards modern Turkic.

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Chinese documents, if they believe Turks are descendants of Xiongnu, are also proofs on the fact that all Altaic and Siberian people are originally connected to each other. The above-mentioned books explain about the  language they used. 

Turkmens are descendants of Oghuz Khan, the founder of Hunnic empire. That might be why Chinese documents called 9 Oghuz, as Huns.
 
I've talked about the fact that Turkmen has lots of similarities in word structure with Siberian languages. In fact, it's the only Turkic language wich has specific similarites with languages like Samoyed, Mari, etc. I can bring examples if you need to know about Samoyed and it relationship with Turkmen.
 
I appreciate this if you could explain more about the Turkic language Magyar used.


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Originally posted by Rasoolpuri Rasoolpuri wrote:

   What was original homeland of Huns .In which century they migrated from their homeland
    
 
there is no evidance of any home. The words seems to come from European source.
 
Huns had no homeland.
 
The Abadhlalites were counted as "Huns" but modern evidance show that they were far from Altics and that they were Aryanic/Afghan/Eastern Iranian tribe. There is no evidance of Altic among Abadhlalites. However the word is misunderstood. There is no evidance of Huns coming to Iran or Afghanistan in fact they went north from Eastern Iran.
 
The Iranian group were older then the other "Hunic Altic" empires
 
 
 
 
And the Indian Huns were from Iran/Eastern Iran, recorded late same time as the Europeans were attacked by some unknown nomanic group, and then later the Iranian group. So there is something fishy here.
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
Althought this has been tought for a very long time, but this map has no base prove, until this day it has not been proven. Yes indeed a strong Altic empire did existed at that part of the world, but not sure about the "Hunic" part.


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Originally posted by Nick Nick wrote:

 
Huns had no homeland.
 
 
You really need to explain this words of yours.
 
 
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