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    Posted: 17-Apr-2009 at 19:09
Is the feeling of belonging to one big "Malay race" strong? And are there any modern political movements arguing for "unification"?
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Indonesians? I think they are more aggressive version of malays. Aggressive in both meanings.. positive and negative... 
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More specific please. Smile
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Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

Is the feeling of belonging to one big "Malay race" strong? And are there any modern political movements arguing for "unification"?
 
Nope. The feeling of belonging to one big Malay Race is not that strong. In fact, there are a lot of issues that prevent them to be "Unite" as one Malay Race. (Border dispute, Illegal Indonesian Workers in Malaysia, etc,etc)
 
I don't know how about Indonesia in Malaysia, but in Indonesia, Malaysia is not that popular in term of political today.


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Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

More specific please. Smile


Aggressive...

Negative - They prefer to solve any discrepancies in their countries in showing it very clearly through riot and.. any kind of gathering... Malaysians??? once in a blue moon to start a riot or any illegal gathering.. too settle and more passive.. everything can be discussed. Big smile

Positive - Indonesians are known to have high patriotic spirit. Can see from any sport events.

Unity? between Indonesians and Malaysians?.. I don't think so.. that can be done. We do respect each other but to be under one big happy country.. no.. not possible. We are two different people underneath.. mentality and in political view...
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Originally posted by cahaya cahaya wrote:

Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

More specific please. Smile


Aggressive...

Negative - They prefer to solve any discrepancies in their countries in showing it very clearly through riot and.. any kind of gathering... Malaysians??? once in a blue moon to start a riot or any illegal gathering.. too settle and more passive.. everything can be discussed. Big smile

Positive - Indonesians are known to have high patriotic spirit. Can see from any sport events.

Unity? between Indonesians and Malaysians?.. I don't think so.. that can be done. We do respect each other but to be under one big happy country.. no.. not possible. We are two different people underneath.. mentality and in political view...
 
That's because Indonesia has a very diverse Ethicity and Cultural Identities. there are javanese, Malay, Bugis, Ambonese, etc, etc, etc. Thats why it is difficult for them to unite as one country. but the most important things are that there are a lot of poor people here, with splited political ideologist among the people (Nationalist and Islam). To make the worst, They just even experience the political reformation after the fall of a dictactor in 1998. That's why there were a lot of riot in this country. But at least the current government can keep the people at bay. So the stability in Indonesia is better than the Thayland today.
 
About the High Patriotic Spirit in any sport event. Hmm, ha ha ha. Maybe it is one of their positive trait.
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Stability in Malaysia is probably more due to the effective government system and national wealth set up by Mahathir, before him I'm not sure we can really say that Indonesia was poorer or more unstable than Malaysia.
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Same as Malaysians too.. various of ethnicities and identities.. If referring to Johor state.. it consists of Javanese, Bugis, Banjar and these all consider under Malays, rite? And some of the local Javanese can converse in Java language. Meanwhile, in Negeri Sembilan, there is Minangkabau similar to people in Pekan Baru, Sumatra. Even the dialect is totally the same.
In summary, South Malaysia is more influenced by Indonesian culturistics and the Northern Malaysian is more towards Thailand's cultures.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Stability in Malaysia is probably more due to the effective government system and national wealth set up by Mahathir, before him I'm not sure we can really say that Indonesia was poorer or more unstable than Malaysia.


I think Tun Mahathir is the most popular PM or we can say the only PM who is well known by others. Surely the PM before him were excellent too.. No doubt.Wink
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Originally posted by cahaya cahaya wrote:

 
 

In summary, South Malaysia is more influenced by Indonesian culturistics and the Northern Malaysian is more towards Thailand's cultures.
 
 

 
 
Yes ... this is accurate !
 
 
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Can we say.. East Malaysia.. influence by Indonesian and Philippines?.. As for Sabahan their dialect is more towards Tagalog intonation. But I am not very sure about Kalimantan accent.. never heard one.
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Do all Malays speak the same language that is mutually intelligible?
I just learned that Indonesia is the most populous Islamic nation in the world. Is the Islam practiced in S.E. Asia liberal and secular, or is it more traditional?
I'm refering to daily customs, sexual codes, and women's status etc.

Do Indonesians and Malaysians view Filipinos as "one of their ethnicity", or as something totally foreign?
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Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

Do all Malays speak the same language that is mutually intelligible?
 
Yes. If we talk about Bahasa Indonesia and Bahasa Malaysia. It's almost the same. Though in Indonesia there are a lot different languages that could be difficult for mutual understanding.

Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

I just learned that Indonesia is the most populous Islamic nation in the world. Is the Islam practiced in S.E. Asia liberal and secular, or is it more traditional?
I'm refering to daily customs, sexual codes, and women's status etc.
 
Largely yes, Islam in Indonesia is very secular, but some provinces of Indonesia are very conservative, like Aceh were people live very "traditional" Islamic way of life including  following of Shariah courts.

Originally posted by calvo calvo wrote:

Do Indonesians and Malaysians view Filipinos as "one of their ethnicity", or as something totally foreign?
 
I would say they view them as related people, but not complitely of their own ethncitiy.
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Agree with Sarmat. As some Indonesians Muslim they do practice different religion marriages where in Malaysia, based on our country's law.. a Muslim can not get married with non muslim unless converted to Islam.
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