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Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
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A Russian ancestor from old Russian tsardom who came from around kharkiv.
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Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.

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I do not know how my ancestors where called. Because i do not know who were my ancestors (always biologically speaking).The oldest relative i know is my grand grand mother, who was Russian.
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Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.

Königsburg or Königsberg? Königsberg is East Prussia. There is a Königsburg near Krefeld, which is Rhineland. The Rhineprovince belonged to Prussia since 1815, but was established as province in 1822. Kleve e.g. became Prussian already in 1609/14. 1702 became Krefeld Prussian. In 1683 13 families from Krefeld emigrated on the ship "Concord" to Germantown, Pennsylvania. So perhaps your Königsburg isn't the East Prussian Königsberg.


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Originally posted by beorna beorna wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Originally posted by Roberts Roberts wrote:

Originally posted by flaja flaja wrote:

Prussian (possible, depends on which research you believe)


German from Prussia or Baltic Prussian?
 

My ancestry includes the Eller family of western North Carolina.  Most of what I find on the net says the first Eller came from the Rhineland, but a few sources say Koenigsburg, East Prussia.

Königsburg or Königsberg? Königsberg is East Prussia. There is a Königsburg near Krefeld, which is Rhineland. The Rhineprovince belonged to Prussia since 1815, but was established as province in 1822. Kleve e.g. became Prussian already in 1609/14. 1702 became Krefeld Prussian. In 1683 13 families from Krefeld emigrated on the ship "Concord" to Germantown, Pennsylvania. So perhaps your Königsburg isn't the East Prussian Königsberg.
 

Some of what the Eller family has put on the net say East Prussia while others just say the Rhineland.  But at any rate, the first Eller from Europe to come to America that is my ancestor came here before the American Revolution.  A lot of my Rhenish ancestors came through Pennsylvania (one bought land in Valley Forge from the sons of William Penn in the 1730s) only to drift into North Carolina in the mid-late 18th century, but (if I remember right) the first Eller came directly to North Carolina.

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In random order:
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English
Welsh
Scottish
Irish
German
French
Dutch
and possibly native american.  My family history is not well documented either, so who knows who else could be an ancestor.
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that's hard;
hellenic
lelege(laconia)/dryope (argos)/pelsg(arcadia)? who knows..
Mycenian Greek
definatly Helot (from above) - Spartan - laconian
Doric - mainly - the acheans can kiss my arse
..with a known dash of maniotisViking
other
1/8 Italian (lombard and anything else northern) 
maybe Albanian - becuase they did came down to the Morea,  like it or notWink
dito the turks
maybe *other* anadolian
Slavic somewhere for sure,
I dare say celtic/illyrian (red hair-freckles are known family traits) within those medevial  slavic speaking migrations from modern yugoslavia.

dads side (apart from that italian officer *cough*Ermm) is very isolated karpathian (doric greek > minoin)

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For me it should be

Doric Greeks from Crete and Peloponnese
Perhaps Arvanitan near Corinth
Some Laconian from Mani
Should be some slavic somewhere in the mix, my father's beard and mine tend to get reddish in summer (only a few strands of hair mixed with black).
Maybe some Saracen and Venetian from Crete
One Russian ancestor. My great-grandmother used to tell a family tale of a Russian "princess" (most likely some rich merchants daughter) that came to Crete during some Russian revolution (not the communist one) and married my great-great-something-grandfather. The story could have some truth since the family name 'Rouselakis' derives from 'Rousos', Russian in Cretan.


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Slavs, Saxons, Magyars, Avars, Huns, Indo-Aryans, Celts...it could have been anyoneBig%20smile
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Kurgans, Indo-Iranians, Tocharians, Scythians, Ephtalite Huns, Khalaj/Ghaljai (Turkic-Pashtun), Jaghuri (Turkic from mothers side), Pashtun (Durrani).

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Well, this is interresting...

From my mothers side, it is all from Scandinavia which surely includes a lot of sami as well.

From my grandfathers side it is a mystery. If we look back in ancient times then it is from the upper macedonians like the Orestai and Elimians. Can't leave outside the Cretan bottians as well who settled in the area. If we look in medieval years in the same area, then I know for sure there's Epirotan mix (the family names are evident + recorded epirotan migrations) and definetely Vlach because of the Vlach villages around and my surname which is a vlach nickname.

From my grandmothers side who comes from the borders of Phrygia and Aeolia I can claim Phrygian, Luwian, Aeolian, Ionian, Turkish, Armenian, Assyrian. Her village had Greek families but there were also 3 Assyrian and 1 Armenian family as well, so who knows.


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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:


dads side (apart from that italian officer *cough*Ermm) is very isolated karpathian (doric greek > minoin)


Karpathians are like an own nation until today...They speak Doric, the live in their own little world and they have their own culture.


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Dutch. As far as we know, all the way back to Napoleon, they all came from central wetsren Netherlands. Which is not a big area at all. No exiting exotic ancestry for me.

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Originally posted by Menumorut Menumorut wrote:



Me, as a Romanian (Romanians are one of the most mixed peoples of Europe) I'm proud to think I have the blood of so many peoples who in historical times have been called:


Dacians
Thracians
Scythians
Illyrians
Celts
Sarmatians
Goths
Gepids
Slavs
Pechenegs
Cumans
Tatars
etc
 
Well all Dacians are Thracians, but not all Thracians are Dacians. The Dacians are like an elite branch of the Thracians. I've heard Scythians were considered "Thrachic" by Herdotus or Strabo (always get those two confused) but in any case they were only mostly in the Moldova region and maybe Dobrogea.
 
The Illyrians like-wise were a branch of Thracian or related to the Thracians though I could be wrong.
 
Celts were only in the north western area mostly of Romania and were kicked out by the Dacians fairly early on. They didn't get a long and there might be a some bit of light mingling.
Sarmatians...similar story as the Scythians.
 
Goths? I'm not really sure of their origin to be honest. The popular theory is that they are Germanic yet what germanic holdings did the goths ever have? They had balkan and hispania holdings, nothing in Germany as far as I saw. Their rulers claimed lineage to Decebalus and though I won't go as far as to say Goths were Dacians (Getai) not everything is known about them.
 
Gepids? Ruling class. Didn't mix with the people.
 
Slavs? Definate mixture but to say we're more Slavic the Dacian doesn't add up. I'd say the slavs around us have Dacian/Thracian in them more so then we have slavic influence on us. Take for example our folk clothing, in the Balkans it is all fairly similar. At first I thought that it had to be a slavic influence, but if you look at the Russian, Poles etc, their folk culture is different. So the similarity in culture is definetly something else and something in common that was wide spread in the area. But I won't be like some and deny we have no slavic in us.
 
Pechengs? Hardly. Again ruling class migratory nation. Same with Cumans.
 
Tatars? Nope. I mean maybe someone married some Tatars in Moldova or Dobrogea.
 
Again maybe this is your personal family lineage but if you were refering to Romanians i had to put my 2 cents in.
 
Interestingly enough...no Romans on the list? I mean heck we kept the original latin grammar and even the name, they don't even get an honorary mention? :p
 
We had some fellows from Legio V Macedonia settle in Dacia and Legio XIII Gemeni as well. So some Greek and Gaul could also be present. Maybe even Syrian though they'd be hellenized at the time.
 
 
One thing you have to understand however is that migratians don't happen in massive walls of people. It is a gradual process. And because of the terrain in Dacia the people and culture were maintained. Perhaps the communists liked to repeat it a few too many times but that is no reason to deny the truth or to call the culture "retarded". And to prove i'm not some crazy nationalist ;) I'd also add Hungarian and Bulgarian on that list though the terms of influence are similar to what I have stated between us and the slavs on many levels.
 
 
As for myself, Dacian (Thracian), Roman and I have a bit of Greek on my grandmother's side. I think the Macedonia region, Salonika etc. Much of the family is from Oltenia and Muntenia.
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As a spanish from Canary Islands is nearly impossible to know my ancestors before 400 years of something, only is sure that all they was canarian from around 150-200 years.
 
But i can suppose until certain point what they were:
 
1. All they were from mountainous regions of the island so it's possible an indigenous precedent, they were called "canarians" in spanish, berbers according with certain cultural marks originally from southern Morocco and eastern Algeria.
2. It's not impossible a black ancestor, part of my family is from a region where many blacks lived (sugar plantations) and they have lightly black feautres; if this is true, they were from western África from Senegal to Liberia from were these islands imported slaves, but is impossible to know exactly wich people, generally talking, fulbe.
3. According with the surnames of my family, all the iberian ancestors should be from western Iberia: Viera is from Galicia and North Portugal, but they come to Canary Islands from Madeira or Andalusia, Bosa were from Central Portugal, from there jumped too to Madeira, and Suárez from Asturias but came to the islans from Andalusia; so is possible i have ancestors lusitans and celtic, if they mixed with people from southern Iberia, iberian too.
4. One of my grandfather had the surname "Alemán" (German) a surname applied to people from Low Countries (specially Flandre) who came here in XV and XVI century, so there we have germanics, probably franks.
 
So resuming, with certain accuracy:
 
Berber-Canarians
Bantu-Fulbe
Celtic-  Asturians-Galician-Portuguese-Castillian
Lusitanian-Portuguese
Iberian-  Andalusian-Castillian
Franks-Flemish
 
Present day: Canarian-Spanish


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From father's side
Germanic-85%
Celtic
Native American

Mother's side
Greek
and whatever comes with that:
???????
pre-Greek- maybe
Greek
Thracian
Macedonian Greek
Roman
Byzantine
Anatolia-?????
Germanic-?
Celtic-?
Slavic
Italian-?? Venice- Genoa
maybe Turkic- who knows

I have a Greek olive complexion but I look very Nordic; since I am 99% Nordic from my father's side.

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Modern Bulgarians are very mixed, but we think 3 main groups contributed to the formation of our nation:
Slavs (mainly, we have slavic language, we know lots of Slavs came to the Bolkans, king Boris choose the slavic language as official in 893 year, when he gave the crown to his son Simeon)
Bulgars or Protobulgarians (they were responsible for the creation of the state, but I personally do not think they were that numerous, our nation name come from them, their origin is very disputable, there are 3 teories for their ethnic composition: Iranian, Turkic and Ugro-Finnic, non is proven undoubtedly yet)
Thracians (that contribution is very disputable, we do not know how big their contribution was, but recent genetic researches have proven their genetic contribution was indeed very big, our grammer (unlike the other slavic languages, including Serbo-Croat) is similar to the Romanian, Greek, Albanian and many linguist think its due to the Thracian linguistic influence, also lots of preslavic toponims are left, lots of Thracian traditians too) 
 
Other people who have contributed to our nation:
Greeks
Cumans
Avars
Roman colonists
Goths
Turks
Armenians
Franks
and other who have migrated in Bulgaria.


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