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    Posted: 28-Feb-2009 at 19:46
In the 1960s and even later, society seemed to be falling into a state of complete collapse. Social problems were multiplying, young people were scouting Nepal and Tibet for gurus to tell them what was the meaning of life, animal-rights lovers were going vegetarian and freeing animals from medical labs. Environmentalists were driving nails into logging trees and nudists were taking over beaches. Gays were parading almost nude in San Francisco.

In the face of all that, a large block of Americans concluded that their old-time Christian religion was not quite so left out by time as it had once seemed. Even science was losing prestige because regulating it, as well as business, had become corrupted and our technologies could no longer be trusted. Were they trying to sneak fluoride into our drinking water, radiate our food, clone us, stem cell and copyright our genes as well as genetically engineer our grains? Who could we really trust?

So the very business class that corporatized the state and turned us into “shoppers” and “consumers” felt the need to pair with the Fundamentalists and stop the slide into oblivion. So now we have a growing anti-abortion, “Creationist” and “Intelligent Design” movement being pushed on us by a militant conservative business class. In “Destiny and Civilization, the Evolutionary Explanation of Religion and History it is referred to as “religious reaction.”

Will the new Obama Administration be able to create an alternative to either going back to the “everything goes” era or further into religious reaction? Or will his “change” or alternate direction peter out into the usual politics, corruption and chaos---if not soon, then after his Administration ends?

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I don't know why people are going into Messiah mode when a popular politician gets elected. Eisenhower didn't bring forth utopia, neither did Washington, nor Clinton. As far as going back, it is impossible, one can deduce that the parameters of the today have certain flaws, correct them, and move on. Society changes and shifts constantly it isn't static for periods of time. There are small changes that brought forth the "changes" and the aspired changes of the 60s for decades before. Same as to the situation today. Obama is simply one politician and there are segments on the left and right that either denote him messianic or the right with some out there anti-Christ theorems. It is neither of the two. He in my mind will do better than say McCain could've, but either way, don't have him write your next ten commandemnts either.



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PS: The Evangelical right simply doesn't have the support base to pull off some sort of reactionary age either. Don't be scared by Pat and Co. they're old nutters that found a great scheme - sell people religion (corrupted religion), whereas you can get the real thing for free if you invest yourself rather than listening to a nut on Channel 2. Furthermore, there are rather progressive segments of the Evangelical movement that have nothing to do with these nutters and extremists and have a much more basic outlook on life that gets overshadowed in reports of the newest Pat blunder.

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Well, if we are going to believe to the predictors of Argamenon, the West has been declined since 1914! Others, like Napoleon himself, warned us that when China woke up the West will go down the toillet.
 
I don't believe so. It is only that the people usually believe the past was better. When I was young, for instance, most of my friends were drug adicts. With all its problems, this generations seem less deep into that. Just to mention an example.
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

When I was young, for instance, most of my friends were drug adicts. With all its problems, this generations seem less deep into that. Just to mention an example.

Actually drug use has exploded since the 1960s, so has the potency of many drugs and the range of drugs available (designer drugs like ecstacy etc didn't exist).

It just seems that way because drug users don't stick out anymore. Drug users used to mostly be part of a drug subculture, now they are integrated into the mainstream. Drugs of abuse are not always narcotics anymore either; barbituates, amphetamines, and prescription drugs have become popular once again (as they were prior to the 1960s).

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Obama will build many stadiums and temples...
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