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    Posted: 20-Apr-2007 at 00:17
How close is modern day French to Latin?
Is  modern Spanish closer to Latin than  modern French is?
(Pl. also see  my post"language of crusaders" under Linguistics)


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What about modern Italian that would seem to me to be the closest of all the languages.
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Sorry.That is not the issue.
The question is about the proximity of modern SPANISH and FRENCH to Latin.
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French is not all that close.   Most of the vocabulary descends from latin but has changed so much that a latin speaker would not be able to make sense of it.  Although--because many people who formed the French language over the centuries also understood latin, they tried to spell words to reflect their latin roots, even if it it meant having multiple "silent" letters.
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Hi Dan
Would you like to comment on the following:
As I understand it, even now if you choose your words correctly any "Latin" speaker can speak to another and be understood.
(Pl.  see  my  three posts -"language of crusaders"- under Linguistics - For the Context of the request.)
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I'm not so sure about that.  While they look similar on the surface, the different latin languages are not really mutually intelligable.  Especially not between geographic extremes, for example Norman French vs. Romanian.
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Wikipedia mentions a study done in 1949 about the relative evolution of each of the Romance languages from Latin:
Which seems to somewhat agree with popular consensus at least in terms of phonetics.  French is the most deviated with its significant Germanic influence and Sardinian/Italian are the closest.
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Interesting statistics, thanks.
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Originally posted by sreenivasarao s sreenivasarao s wrote:

Sorry.That is not the issue.
The question is about the proximity of modern SPANISH and FRENCH to Latin.
Thanks.
 
I am Spanish speaker.
 
Spanish is a lot closer to Latin than French. Why? Quite simple. Between the Romance languages, there are some that have followed a phonetical and conservative tendency (Spanish, Italian) and others a more free and less precise style (Portuguese, French).
 
In Spanish the pronounciation is almost identical to ancient Latin, and the Language is quite similar as well. Spanish evolved from Latin simplifying it, particularly the Grammar, at it didn't suffered much idiosincratic changes, like it happened in French (which is plenty of pre-manufactured formulas).
 
Spanish it is so similar to Latin that we can read and understand most inscriptions in Churches, Universities lemmas, etc., and we can also hear some of it and understand it... without trainning.
 
Italian is very similar to Spanish, too. A lot closer to Spanish than Portuguese (curiously). The similarity with Spanish comes from grammar, word order and vocabulary. Curiously enough, Italians usually use words we don't apply in the same situations, but that we recognize at once!
Every Spanish speaker knows what means andiamo, bambino, chiao (to say hello), etc., although we don't use those words!
 
Actually, I have never studied Italian, but I can see the Italian TV (RAI) and understand 90% percent of what they say. On French TV I never get more than 10%. On Brazilian TV I get 60%
 
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Hi Pinquin
Thanks for the reply.
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As far as the question posed to Dan, as a Spanish speaker I can read enough of most Romance languages to understand the general idea of the text(French, Catalan, Gallego, Portuguese etc.) Spoken languages are different - it's harder to understand because of the varying pronunciation.

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Good point!
 
Yes, indeed. Spanish speakers can read most of the texts in other Romance languages. Hearing it is a bit harder. Speaking is impossible without trainning.
 
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As a Latin student and a French (sort of) speaker. I would agree that French is  fairly far removed from Latin these days and that Spanish seems to lend itself more to good pronunciation of Latin.

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Originally posted by sreenivasarao s sreenivasarao s wrote:

Sorry.That is not the issue.
The question is about the proximity of modern SPANISH and FRENCH to Latin.
Thanks.
 
French began to rapidly change from standard latin about  300 years before Italian and Spanish began to evolve as seperate languages.  
 
  
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