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    Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 00:52

Which do you think would be better in Battle?

I was reading, in Herodotus' the Histories, that the invading Persian amry brought camels with them....the smell of the camels made the horses rear up and throw their riders...this could be very effective in a Battle.

I also heard a rumor that even though camels are slower than horses, they are smarter...(i'm not sure if that is true or not)



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horse vs. camel, camel would be better

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ahmed The Fighter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2005 at 08:04

Depends on the battle and I agree with I/EYE.

Sure the camels are slower and smarter  than horses with no doubt

Camel prfered in hot weather and long distance we called  the camel in Arabia (THE SHIP OF THE DESERT).

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The horses get very scared of the smell of camels. Cyrus used this fact to his advantage when he defeated the Medians after numerous other tries.
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Camels have some advantage against horses. They are heavier, stronger and in certain situations, even fasters. The ancient asiatic civilizations and even Persia and Egypt knew it, and because of this, they had many camel units. A little more recently, Saladin and other arabic leaders had camels in their armies.
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Camels were used to counter horses becasue of the smell ,also there was a height advantage of sitting on a camels lump+ they can go thru a desert for a long while.

however horses are faster and more agile

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In fact in the world History Horses were used more than camels (Do not mention Geography, because, camels were not lived evrywhere) Even I think Arabians used Horses more than Camels, I think it is because Horse is more Maunaeruable and fast
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camels 4 sure cause as bigL said the smell would make the horses rear up
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Camels win in long Desert Campaigns... Horses win in general skirmishes... AND it depends on the battle.
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If you had access to both, horses were always preferred to camels in battle.  If your opponent had horses that were not used to camels you could use them to frighten the horses (a trick used on several occasions), but even then it didn't always work.

Camels (both Bactrian and dromidary) are useful for logistics and very widely used (eg Ghilman who rode a camel and lead their warhorse to keep it fresh).
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Horses form the foundation of an army.

Camels can be used as a support unit.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 12:48
usually Camel units were in fact mounted infantry, that means they would not fight from the back of the Camel, i think Arab cavalry mounted on Camels is a myth, Camles are only a means of transportation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 17:00
I have also read that horses, if they spend much time around camels, eventually get used to the smell so it doesn't spook them. I think the early Islamic expansionists took this into account.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Janissary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 22:53
Temujin, Yess, there was Arabian Camel Cavalry, even they writing in Azerbaijan about that belongs to the Periot of 664-80 when the Khalifat occupied Azerbaijn
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Camels were better but horses were better in battles and warfare becuase they were alot faster of retreating. ok
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Camels can travel many days without food and water. In a desert terrain it was an important factor. When riding a horse you always had to put food and water in consideration... which means that horses were ideal for more of a raiding or hit and run tactics in the desert. Camels on the other hand, were natural on desert terrain, they can move a whole unit of calvary men very vast distances. Camels also had the capacity to carry more  loads than horses, giving calvarymen the opportunity  to carry more gear and more room for loots.  A camel's hooves are also made of special coating and is very silent when it moves. So pretty much in the desert camels had the upper hand.
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camels definatly have more endurance to severe wheather, but when it comes to crushing an enemy line or delivering the fatal blow of routeing a enemy army, you just cant replace the horses raw strength and power.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI

I have also read that horses, if they spend much time around camels, eventually get used to the smell so it doesn't spook them. I think the early Islamic expansionists took this into account.


It only takes a few days for horses to get used to camels.
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