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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pinguin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Apr-2007 at 22:51
Odessa was quite sucessful in protecting nazi leaders.
 
Just take a look.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA
 

 

ODESSA (German: Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, "Organization of Former SS-Members") is the name commonly given to an international Nazi network alleged to have been set up towards the end of World War II by a group of SS officers. Some historians, while acknowledging that there were secret postwar organisations of former SS members, deny that any organisation called ODESSA ever existed.

The purpose of such groups was to establish and facilitate secret escape routes, called ratlines, out of Germany to South America and the Middle East for hunted members. With alleged ties to Argentina, Egypt, Brazil, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, and the Vatican, they operated out of Buenos Aires and helped Adolf Eichmann, Josef Mengele, Erich Priebke, Aribert Heim, Eduard Roschmann and many other SS members find refuge in Latin America and the Middle East.

 
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And that would different from all their other lies in what way?
The Soviets are all about lies and deceptions. It is what they live and breathe, so why would they not lie on a classified document?
 
 
 
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If it was a classified document, they would only be lying to themselves wouldn't they?
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Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

And that would different from all their other lies in what way?
The Soviets are all about lies and deceptions. It is what they live and breathe, so why would they not lie on a classified document?
 
 
 
Originally posted by Dan Carkner Dan Carkner wrote:

If it was a classified document, they would only be lying to themselves wouldn't they?
 
Never confuse the image which they want to portray compared with how they worked internally.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ulrich von hutten Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Apr-2007 at 03:42
Hitler's rotting existence carbonized at a backyard in berlin, sure !

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The internal Soviet deceptions were just as wide spread as any external deceptions. That is how they maintained control and made sure that only a few really knew what was going on.
 
 
Originally posted by Peteratwar Peteratwar wrote:

Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

And that would different from all their other lies in what way?
The Soviets are all about lies and deceptions. It is what they live and breathe, so why would they not lie on a classified document?
 
 
 
Originally posted by Dan Carkner Dan Carkner wrote:

If it was a classified document, they would only be lying to themselves wouldn't they?
 
Never confuse the image which they want to portray compared with how they worked internally.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DesertHistorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-May-2007 at 02:36
I thought he made it to Bayonne, New Jersey and started up a hofbrau there? Sort of an early version of "Dangerfield's" comedy club. Wink
 
Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Hitler certainly did.
 
He went to Argentina in a submarine, and he still lives there in the Patagonia, in a Nazi base where flying saucers go round and round LOL
 
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A few Nazi's fled to Argentina, Eichmann was caught in Argentina.

It was well known though that Hitler wished to remain in Berlin to the end
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Talking about nazis in Latin America, this is a photo I took today near Puebla:


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Outis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2007 at 04:48
He would have been rather conspicuous wherever he went, one of the 20th century's most recognisable visages. Couples with the whole being trapped in Berlin thing. Typicall conspiracy theory tarradiddle.
 
Mengele's story is pretty interesting though.
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I really don't beleive that Hitler escaped, but many other Nazis did.

Actually, for them it wouldn't have been very difficult to hide in religious german communities of the countryside, in places like Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay or Chile.

In my country, for instance, a sect of Germans protestants founded in the 1960s with German immigrants that came directly from Germany and directed by a former nazi low rank officer, become quite famous. It was called "Colonia Dignidad" and it had a long history of crimes and mystery sourounding it.

It is believe it collaborated with the represive dictatorship of Pinochet in killing political prisoners. During the dictatorship of Pinochet and a decade afterwards, it have the protection of right wing circles in Chile, and it was untouchable. Finally, the Chilean state intervine the colony and found out a couple of hundred German people living in a state of semi-slavery, drugged daily and it a serious mental breakdown. Even more, children were sexually abussed by the leader, Paul Schaffer, like a routine. It is very easy to suspect that Colony Dignidad it was a hide for Nazi refugees. This is not fiction but actually true. It was very commented in Chile.
 
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This has been talked about for decades and nobody has been able to show any evidence regarding that.

Josef Mengele, Nazi "death doctor" who played over Genetics has been found and caught in Argentina, though there is no information about rest of the gang, including Martin Bormann, who was claimed to have been ran away to South America.

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Hitler was in bad health in 1945....Hell his physician was concerned that he would not survive for long.
 
Even if he did escape he did not survive for long. I seriousily doubt he ever escaped Berlin.
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I was actually Reading Newspapers from 1945 over the past few days and people are indeed right, this has been a rumour for decades.

I think the Start of the Rumour really comes from a U-Boat that was 'missing' for a while and then finds itself in Argentina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_977

It took 66 days to get to Argentina - Hitler "died" on the 28th April! :)

Anyhow, its really interesting how seriously the rumours were taken in 1945 - people really didn't know what had happened to Hitler and very few people believed the official channels.

Now, however, I think there is plenty of Oral evidence, from people who have no reason to lie.

My favourite "escape attempt" has got to be Himmler! His disguise was just brilliant. An Eye Patch! He tried his best to fool the Allies with an EYE PATCH!
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

 
 
Curious. I don't know why the world always forgot about South America.
 
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Not CIA LOL
 
If I remember correctly.One local newspaper article written about America had CIA operatives in Brazil during WW 2 spied on Japanese descent and some were relocated to US concentration camps Shocked.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Peteratwar Peteratwar wrote:

Originally posted by mamikon mamikon wrote:

There was a Russian documentary on the topic

Is it possible that the winning world powers did not want Hitler on the Nuremberg Trials since he would divulge many secret treaties and etc...?

make sure he is dead then


Exactly. Same reason Saddam was executed. I don't see how a high profile target like him would get away for 2 decades. Other targets have been found and extradited and or imprisoned since then.



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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Odessa is fact. The escape of several nazi criminals to South America is also fact. What is not known if the man of the little moustache was with them.
 
This is something very unknown of worldwide history. For example, not many people know that there were many in South America that cheer at Nazis, and that wanted Germany win WWII. Others don't know about nazi movements in South America, and the internal fights between comunists, democrats and fascists.
 
Other don't know that Evita was the woman of a fascist dictator that help many nazis to escape, and that mounted military programs with nazis!
 
Curious. I don't know why the world always forgot about South America.
 
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One, a physician I believe (the name escapes me currently) was in S. America, too, and later left for Alexandria and lived there till death in the early to mid 90s. I had the article; got to see if I still have it.

Yes Odessa was a real project by the high Nazi leadership to get out of Germany post-war. I am a little surprised that Hitler didn't try, but then again his chances wouldn't have been that high. He was too high profile; where some of the others were not as much.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2009 at 17:41
Hitler would never flee, he was too entrenched in his own visions and fantasies about how he envisaged himself, it would have been beyond his dignity and pride to flee in the face of the Soviet onslaught, which he himself regarded as subhuman scum not capable of such a thing...


btw i move this to the new a alternative history forum. anyways if you care about his fate, the movie der Untergang is a descend place to start with and it also elaborates on the self-perseption of the Nazi elite (Hitler & Göbbels family) quite well...


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I've seen the movie and thought it was well made and much more in line with his ideology than the theories about him fleeing. 

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