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Gladiator

Alexander

Troy

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I can forgive a film for being inaccurate (like gladiator) if it makes up for it with other things, like a great script, direction, ect.

I also really, really enjoyed 300. I had no idea that Xerxes was 8' tall and had bulbous knife-armed monster mans in his employ. What a revelation.

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Originally posted by nova roma nova roma wrote:

I can forgive a film for being inaccurate (like gladiator) if it makes up for it with other things, like a great script, direction, ect.

 
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Gladiator... hehe... 
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It was a pretty good film but ridley scott got the legionnaires (I caught the roamn cavalry using stirrups) and the gladiators wrong, but he did an okay job with the praetorians though,  but I watched it at least eight times anyway.  


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The score is excellent though-. 
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The movie "Zulu" 1964 directed and starring Stanley Baker was for the most part accurate, at least more so then most movies and this was a British venture, not Hollywood.

Shaka Zulu in 1987, more of a mini-series than a movie was also more accurate than most.

Gettysburg 1994 was very accurate

Gods and Generals 2003 also very accurate and in some ways one of the more historically accurate films ever to come out of Hollywood, even down to the diary entries of Stonewall Jackson, the mannerisms, etc....very impressive in the way the movie was made. Too bad the American public are dolts when it comes to history and it did not do well at the box office.
 
There was a movie from Mexico out within the past few years about the years following the conquest by Cortez-very powerful, seemed quite accurate and even painfully so. I think it make have been titled something like "The Conquered" or "The Vanquished" or something along those lines and of course the title was in Spanish, not English, and the movie was in Spanish with English subtitles. Evidently, it was very controversial in Mexico because of what it depicted in the treatment of the Aztecs and other Indians that came under the rule of Spain. Cover something like the first 20 years right after the conquest.
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Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

The movie "Zulu" 1964 directed and starring Stanley Baker was for the most part accurate, at least more so then most movies and this was a British venture, not Hollywood.



The movie introduced many many inaccuracies to add the Hollywood effect in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_inaccuracies_in_the_film_Zulu

I thought Zulu Dawn was more accurate and in turn not as good a "movie".


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I think the polish movie "Katyn" was one of the few historically correct movies.
 
And what do you think of "The Pianist"?Was it historically correct?
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House of Saddam, though not a historical film none the less I never knew that HD TV sets existed in Iraq in 1988 even beofre LCD technology was invented!
 
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Battle of the Bulge. Apparently the King Tiger can be destroyed by a granade.
 
 
Platoon was a good summery of the Vietnam wars and it rawness.
 
Inaccurate but a hell of a film
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Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

Gettysburg 1994 was very accurate

Gods and Generals 2003 also very accurate and in some ways one of the more historically accurate films ever to come out of Hollywood, even down to the diary entries of Stonewall Jackson, the mannerisms, etc....very impressive in the way the movie was made. Too bad the American public are dolts when it comes to history and it did not do well at the box office.
 


i don't think Gettysburg was so accurate at all. my main grudge is that it had the usual JEB Stuart bullshit with it and it was too pro-Union. Gods & Generals was much better, in visuals, accuracy and it balanced the bias of the first movie by highliting the point of view of the Confederacy.
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"A Bridge too Far" anyone? I am not fully into Market garden but that was one hell of film.
 
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Amongst the very very best movies ever and extremely accurate historically: Culloden by Peter Watkins. Brilliant account of a brutal battle.

Available on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2BVeAz4Vzg&playnext=9&playnext_from=QL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR3GMbectzg&playnext=10&playnext_from=QL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9BLDEi5BcE&playnext=11&playnext_from=QL


Well the film is actually longer but it gives you a good idea. Well worth seeing the rest.
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Fortunately or unfortunately, wikipedia is also an inaccurate source since it is an open source that anyone can post to and state opinions as facts. It is quite notorious for this as a matter of fact and most US elementary, high school and university professors refuse to accept wikipedia as a legitimate source to site in any type of paper or report.
 
The 24th of Foot was not represented in the movie as a Welsh regiment, it was depicted as a very mixed regiment with a Welsh contingent within it that had a number of "characters" in it that stood out for various reasons.
 
That Lt. Gonville Bromhead was deaf is not a historical fact, as the only source for this information is from a relative of his, it is not listed in his military records or in any other source. Seems highly unlikely that even if he was allowed into the service of the military that he would have ever been given a field position and would have been restricted to administrative posts only. Otherwise he would have been a detriment to everyone including himself. Most of what wikipedia has to state on that topic appears to be nothing more than rumor and conjecture, and is not valid within a historical discussion.
 
That his name is pronounced Bramhead and not Brumhead would more than likely be due to the different ways different regions of a country pronounce various name and words. Considering Stanley Baker who produced and directed and starred in the movie pronounces it Bramhead, and that Baker is a native Englishman, it basically is meaningless historically. It is like saying that when Northerners in the US pronounce the word pecan as "pacaan"  it is wrong because the Southerners in the US pronounce it peekan.
 
 
 
Originally posted by Gundamor Gundamor wrote:

Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

The movie "Zulu" 1964 directed and starring Stanley Baker was for the most part accurate, at least more so then most movies and this was a British venture, not Hollywood.



The movie introduced many many inaccuracies to add the Hollywood effect in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_inaccuracies_in_the_film_Zulu

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Like the controversy over J.E.B. Stuart and his absence from Gettysburg, or dislike it, it is part of the historical aspect that is constantly debated in this country as to what difference he could have made if he had been present from the start of the battle. The reconnaissance and the mobility of a cavalry unit would have provided Gen. Lee with information and additional resources that he did not have the first 2 days of the battle and that difference could have been enough to turn the battle in favor of the Confederates. That it would be considered by anyone as BS speaks volumes for itself.
 
 
Originally posted by Temujin Temujin wrote:

Originally posted by DesertHistorian DesertHistorian wrote:

Gettysburg 1994 was very accurate

Gods and Generals 2003 also very accurate and in some ways one of the more historically accurate films ever to come out of Hollywood, even down to the diary entries of Stonewall Jackson, the mannerisms, etc....very impressive in the way the movie was made. Too bad the American public are dolts when it comes to history and it did not do well at the box office.
 


i don't think Gettysburg was so accurate at all. my main grudge is that it had the usual JEB Stuart bullshit with it and it was too pro-Union. Gods & Generals was much better, in visuals, accuracy and it balanced the bias of the first movie by highliting the point of view of the Confederacy.
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Another horrendous film was 10,000 B.C man is so stupid that he can't build anything without the help of aliens and then they tried to catch a mammoth with a net? come on anybody who tries to catch a mammoth with a net deserves what they get no matter how cool their hair is and then of course the characters had to talk in a stilted caveman talk which made them flat and one dimensional and destroyed the romance. 


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