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Here are all the maps from the electronic encyclopaedia "History of Bulgaria":

01 - Thrace in the first milennium BC
02 - The Roman provinces of Thrace and Moesia Inferior (I-IIIc.)
03 - Diocese Thrace (IV-VIc.)
04 - Slavs and Bulgars (IV-VIIc.) Establishment of the Bulgarian state - 681
05 - Ethnic relations on the Balkan Peninsula and initial expansion of the Bulgarian state in the VII c.
06 - The wars between Bulgaria and Byzantium in the VIII c.
07 - The wars of Khan Krum (813-827)
08 - Territorial expansion of Bulgaria in the IX century (814-893)
09 - The wars of Tsar Simeon (893-927)
10 - The wars of Tsar Samuil (976-1014). Falling of Bulgaria under Byzantine rule
11 - Forming and strengthening of the Bulgarian nationality (IX-X c.)
12 - Culture of the Bulgarian state
13 - Battles of the Bulgarian people against the Byzantine rule (1018-1185)
14 - The rebellion of Assen and Petar (1185-1187)
15 - Bulgaria in time of the rule of Tsar Assen I and Tsar Petar II (1185-1197)
16 - The wars of Tsar Kaloian (1197-1207)
17 - The wars of Tsar Ivan Assen II (1218-1241)
18 - The Bulgarian state from 1246 until the end of the XIII c. The rebellion of Ivailo and the battles against Byzantines and Tatars
19 - The Bulgarian state (1300-1331)
20 - The wars of Tsar Ivan Aleksandar (1331-1371). Beginning of the Ottoman invasion
21 - Culture of the Second Bulgarian state
22 - Resistance against the Ottoman invasion and conquering of Bulgaria
23 - The fights of the Bulgarian nation against the Ottoman rule - The Haiduk movement (XV-XVIII century)
24 - The fights of the Bulgarian nation against the Ottoman rule - Rebellions (XV-XVIII century)
25 - Administrative division and demographic status of a part of the Balkan lands around the middle of the XVI century
26 - The fights of the Bulgarian nation against the Ottoman rule in the first half of the XIX century (until 1856)
27 - Bulgarian enlightenment and church-national movement in XIX century. Tsarigrad conference (1876-1877)
28 - National-liberation movement (1862-1868)
29 - Committee organization, created by Vasil Levski (1868-1872)
30 - April insurrection 1876
31 - April insurrection 1876 - Bigger fights
32 - Russian-Turkish Liberation war (1877-1878). General progress of the battle actions
33 - Participation of the Bulgarian people in the Russian-Turkish Liberation war (1877-1878)
34 - Resistance of the Bulgarian nation against the decisions of the Berlin Congress (1878)
35 - National-revolutionary movement in Macedonia and Thrace (1893-1908)
36 - Union of Eastern Rumelia with Kniazestvo Bulgaria. Serbian-Bulgarian war (1885)
37 - Serbian-Bulgarian war - 1885. Actions of the covering detachments and the defensive battle at Slivnitsa (14-20.XI.1885)
38 - Serbian-Bulgarian war - 1885. The counter-offensive of the Bulgarian army (22-27.XI.1885)
39 - Balkan war (1912-1913)
40 - Balkan war (1912-1913). The Lozengrad meet battle (7-10.X.1912)
41 - Balkan war (1912-1913). Liuleburgaz-Bunarhisar operation (15-19.X.1912)
42 - Balkan war (1912-1913). Actions of the 7th infantry Rila division
43 - Balkan war (1912-1913). Actions of the Rhodopa and Kurdzhali detachments (21.X-24.XI.1912)
44 - Balkan war (1912-1913). The battle at Chataldzha (16-17.XII.1912). The defense at Bulair and Starkioi (6-10.II.1913)
45 - Second Balkan (Interallied) war - 1913
46 - Second Balkan (Interallied) war - 1913. Defense of the Kaliman position (4-8.VII.1913)
47 - Second Balkan (Interallied) war - 1913. Kresna operation (14-17.VII.1913)
48 - Participation of Bulgaria in WWI (1914-1918)
49 - Bulgaria in WWI (1914-1918). Advance of 1st and 2nd armies in 1915
50 - Bulgaria in WWI (1914-1918). The battle actions in the region of Cherna River and Dobro Pole
51 - Bulgaria in WWI (1914-1918). The defense at Doiran (18-19.IX.1918)
52 - Bulgaria in WWI (1914-1918). Soldier's insurrection (22.IX-2.X.1918)
53 - WWII. Military actions in South-Eastern Europe, Northern Africa and the Mediterranean Sea (10.VI.1940-22.VI.1941)
54 - Military actions in the Mediterranean basin (VI.1941-22.X.1942)
55 - Military actions in the Mediterranean basin (X.1942-XII.1943)
56 - Military actions of the Soviet army in South-Eastern Europe (VIII.1944-II.1945)
57 - Preparation and implementation of the state coup (9.IX.1944)
58 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945)
59 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945). Nish operation (7-14.X.1944)
60 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945). Stracin-Kumanovo and Bregalnica-Struma operation (8.X-14.XI.1944)
61 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945). Kosovo operation (28.X-22.XI.1944)
62 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945). Drava defensive operation (6-19.III.1945)
63 - Participation of Bulgaria in the decisive defeat of Hitlerist Germany (1944-1945). Mur operation (29.III-5.IV.1945)
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I indikate with "browse" the image and i press "ok" button. After a while the "Image:" field again becomes clear, and in the post reply message field nothing has uploaded.

This is not the only problem with the operating system on my PC, and maybe i must reinstall her soon...

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Originally posted by Subotai Subotai wrote:

Originally posted by NikeBG NikeBG wrote:

So, can anyone here give me some info about the medieval Bulgarian administrative regions?

I cant find anything that is even close to this map, and i think such map cant be found on the net.

Well, I asked some people in one Bulgarian military-historical forum and they made a map, according to the Dubrovnik charter of Tsar Ioan Assen II:
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Btw they also said that there have been maps of the 10 komitats from the pagan times somewhere in the net, but unfortunately I couldn't find any...


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Originally posted by NikeBG NikeBG wrote:

Originally posted by Subotai Subotai wrote:

Originally posted by NikeBG NikeBG wrote:

So, can anyone here give me some info about the medieval Bulgarian administrative regions?

I cant find anything that is even close to this map, and i think such map cant be found on the net.

Btw they also said that there have been maps of the 10 komitats from the pagan times somewhere in the net, but unfortunately I couldn't find any...
Yes, I'll be interestend for the map of the regions of the first bugarian emp., but somewhere on the net......no chanse
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Tsis is a map of the lands where the bulgarians were the bigger percent of the population (or 40-50% in some areas), up to 1912-1913 year (in the time of the two Balkan wars, and after them, many bulgarians were killed or banished from Greece, Turkey, Serbia and Romania...):

The red line shows the boundaries of the Bulgarian state according to the treaty/agreement of San Stefano (in 1878).

For more information about the ethnic statistics in Macedonia, follow this link: http://www.macedoniainfo.com/docs/Macedonia_Statistic.htm, and look in the site http://www.macedoniainfo.com/.



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These are few maps of the Bulgarian State by the time of the Middle Ages.

Ethnic and political changes in the Balkans towards the end of the seventh century A.D. :

The First Bulgarian State between 800-972:

The First Bulgarian State between 972-1018, the Byzantine themes between 1018-1185:

The Second Bulgarian State by the time of tzar Yoan Asen II (1218-1241):

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A map of the administrative divisions of the Third Bulgarian Kingdom/Tsardom between 1941 - 1944:

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A map with the number of the bulgarians, who were living in the territory of today`s Northern Greece, in 1942 year (up to 1947):

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in 1942 ?

350.000 Bulgars in Macedonia and Thrace ?

The cyrillic letters on the map dont show any objectivity....
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Originally posted by Digenis Digenis wrote:

in 1942 ?

350.000 Bulgars in Macedonia and Thrace ?

The cyrillic letters on the map dont show any objectivity....


In 1942 the territory eastern of Struma river was part of the Bulgarian kingdom. One part of the bulgarians, who were banished from these territories between 1913-1924, have return to their homelands in Western Thrace and around Drama, Kavala and Seres, when this lands were ceded to Bulgaria after the war between Germany and Greece in 1941. With the agreement Mollov-Kafandaris in 1947 these bulgarians are moved in Bulgaria, and in Greece are moved greeks from Bulgaria, who were living around Burgas. About the bulgarians in Macedonia (to the west of Struma river): In the Civil war in Greece (1944-1949) one part of these bulgarians were killed, and after this war many bulgarians from Macedonia have emigrate to Bulgaria, and i think that today the christian-bulgarians in Greece are small number. The greeks call them greeks-slavophones. They are maybe 30-50 000 people. I must make the explanation, that the moslem-bulgarians(the pomaks), who were living in Rodopi mountain, are a part of these 350 000 in this map, and today they are still living in Western Thrace in Greece, and they are maybe 30-40 000 people.
And because of that, maybe in today`s Greece are living between 70-90 000 bulgarians, except these bulgarians, who are emigrate to Greece after 1989 year.


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And because of that, maybe in today`s Greece are living between 70-90 000 bulgarians, except these bulgarians, who are emigrate to Greece after 1989 year.


First of all..I believe too that Pomaks may be of Slavic or Bulgarian origin,
but there is no a sure proof for this,-but mainly they dont feel Bulgars at all.
Maybe they are feeling something uniqueomaks,or muslim Greeks,or even Turks.

The rest u mention-the Slavomacedonians (or Slavophones or Bulgars) dont feel Bulgars too.
Today they either consider themselves bi-lingual -slavophone Greeks with Greek identity( their slavo-bulgarian idiom is spoken by elder people) ,or "Macedonian" -thinking of connection with the people of FYROM-and not at all Bulgarians.
Their political party (Ouranio Toxo) -(con-joined with a party for the rights of homosexuals) collected about 6,500 votes.

So,(except the immigrants of course) the number of Bulgars in Greece decreases to almost 0.



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THE TRUTH FOR THE POMAKS (IN ENGLISH) :

 

The covercion to mohammedanism was not only "with sword". The other factor "was the economic pressure and the temptation of privileges and tax reductions received for adopting Islam" - this is one characteristic feature of the Turkish Empire.

Read more here: http://www.coronetbooks.com/books/moha8413.htm

 

Also read this:

Muslim Bulgarians

 

Muslim Bulgarians (also Bulgarian Mohammedans, bul:-; local: Pomak, Ahrian, Poganets, Marvak, Poturnak) are descendants of Christian Bulgarians who were forcibly converted to Islam by the Turks, during the 16th and the 18th century. The word pomak is derived from Bulgarian dialectal pomaka (torture) and pomacen (tortured). Those who accepted Islam voluntarily are called Poturnak, meaning "One who turned into a Turk".

Muslim Bulgarians live mostly in the Rhodopes the Smolyan region, the Southern part of the Pazardzhik and Kurdzhali regions and the Western part of the Blagoevgrad region in Southern Bulgaria and the Xanthi and Rhodope provinces in Northeastern Greece. They also live in a group of villages in the Lovech region in Northern Bulgaria.

Muslim Bulgarians speak a variety of archaic Bulgarian dialects. Under the influence of mass media and school education, the dialects have been almost completely unified with standard Bulgarian among Muslim Bulgarians living in Bulgaria. As Greece has tended to regard its Muslim minority as only Turkish-speaking and has allowed only education in Turkish, the Muslim Bulgarian community in Greece has become largely bilingual and the mother tongue of some of its members now is Turkish. The spoken language of those members of the community who have preserved the dialect as their mother tongue has been influenced to a large extent by Turkish and Greek and shows many aberrations from formal Bulgarian.

Pomaks in Bulgaria do not represent a homogenous community. Pomaks living in the eastern part of the Rhodopes tend to be non-practising Muslims and usually have Christian names. A large number of them, especially those living in the municipalities of Zlatograd, Nedelino, Krumovgrad, and Kirkovo, converted to Christianity in the 1990s. Pomaks in the western part of the Rhodopes are, on the hand, strongly religious and have preserved the Muslim name system, customs and clothing. Whereas the majority of the Pomak community has identified itself as Bulgarian in the population censuses in 1992 and 2001, a certain minority in the western Rhodopes has opted for Turkish ethnicity although its mother tongue is also Bulgarian. The name Pomak is strongly pejorative in Bulgarian and is resented by most members of the community, especially by non-practising Muslims. The name adopted and used instead is Bulgarian Mohammedans (Muslim Bulgarians).

The Muslim Bulgarian community in Greece has been largely Turkified. Since the 1990s Greece has made tentative attempts to promote a separate "Pomak" identity, partly because of the advanced Turkification of the non-Turkish members of its Muslim minority (Muslim Bulgarians and Roma) and partly for fear of the growing percentage of Muslims in Thrace in the past couple of decennia. A Greek-Pomak dictionary has been issued and Muslim Bulgarians have frequently been described by Greek authorities as "an amalgamation of Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks" or even as "Muslim Slavophone Greeks".

There is also a substantial Muslim Bulgarian community in Turkey, estimated at some 120,000 people. These are not recognized by the Turkish government as an ethnic minority and have been largely Turkified. Some of them have Turkish or distinctive "Pomak" self-consciousness.

Source: http://pomaks.biography.ms/

And more:

The British specialist in Balkan minority-studies Hugh Poulton writes: 'The Bulgarian Muslims (i.e. the Pomaks) are a religious minority. They are Slavic Bulgarians who speak Bulgarian as their mother tongue, but whose religion and customs are Islamic.' (Poulton 1994:111)

Read the full text here: http://www-gewi.kfunigraz.ac.at/csbsc/ulf/pomak_identities.h tm

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Quote First of all..I believe too that Pomaks may be of Slavic or Bulgarian origin...

                                       

Quote ...but there is no a sure proof for this,-but mainly they dont feel Bulgars at all.

Well, read this which i have posted in my prevous post.

Quote The rest u mention-the Slavomacedonians (or Slavophones or Bulgars) dont feel Bulgars too.

In my posts i haven`t written how did they consider themselves. I have written about the origin of their blood.

Quote So,(except the immigrants of course) the number of Bulgars in Greece decreases to almost 0.
 

I know very well that every greek will say the same thing and i am not surprised of that.               

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Originally posted by The Chargemaster The Chargemaster wrote:

In my posts i haven`t written how did they consider themselves. I have written about the origin of their blood.



So you define ethnicity by blood ?






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Well, if you want, let it be not "blood", but "roots"...

If the Pomaks and the "Slavophones" were negros(with black skin), will you call them greeks? I don`t think so. But if they are with blond hair, i think that maybe you will.       

And if the ethnicity cannot be defined by the blood too, how can you(or anyone) to be sure that all of your ancestors were only and only greeks?

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Originally posted by The Chargemaster The Chargemaster wrote:

If the Pomaks and the "Slavophones" were negros(with black skin), will you call them greeks?

And if the ethnicity cannot be defined by the blood too, how can you(or anyone) to be sure that all of your ancestors were only and only greeks?


When did i call Pomaks Greeks ?

And when did i say that i m sure that all my ancestors were only and only Greeks ??

Thats your theories....
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Anyway...
most of the maps are so nationalistic,
i wont bother myself commenting on each of them.
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That was just examples. 

Just i think that the greeks are inclined to call the Pomaks and the "Slavophones" with various definitions... But "bulgarians"? NO.

Originally posted by Digenis Digenis wrote:

Anyway... most of the maps are so nationalistic...

That`s right. I think so too.        



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The maps are fine; however on the top one (colorful) I don't think Solun was a Bulgarian city.
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Originally posted by Thracian Thracian wrote:

The maps are fine; however on the top one (colorful) I don't think Solun was a Bulgarian city.

I think so too. Solun was never captured by slavic army. In XIX and early XX century the citizens of Solun were mainly jews, greeks and turks; and after them, armenians and bulgarians. But the northern hinterland of Solun up to 1913 year was settled mainly of bulgarians. Then the greek army has come...



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