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Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



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Originally posted by Carcharodon Carcharodon wrote:

Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Yeah. She is not the only one that think white, black and asian people should go back to theirs continents. If you ask me, I would start with extreme environmentalists LOL
 
Or extreme capitalists who destroy everything for profit.
 
 
From my point of view, all partisans with over-active thyroids and an irrational attitude toward money deserve lobotomies. After all they manifest clear disuse of the cerebrum. But now, to Pinguin's efforts at levity. Gringo, as far as etymological study is concerned, was in usage by the close of the 18th century long before there were soldiers of any dress color humming ditties taken from Bobby Burns. By the 11th century, Latin scholars used a maxim as a synonym for the unintelligible: Graecum est; non potest legi. This usage of the a Medieval Latin proverb had entered into both the Spanish and English language long before any yanqui thought of crossing the Rio Grande. In the 1787 El Diccionario Castellano compiled by Esteban de Terreros one discovers the word gringo amplified by the compiler thusly: "gringos llaman en Málaga a los estranjeros, que tienen cierta especie de acento, que los priva de una locución fácil y natural castellana; y en Madrid dan el mismo, y por la misma causa con particularidad a los Irlandeses." It should be of note that in the last quarter of the 18th century many of the soldiers in Spanish colonial service were of Irish extraction [officers as well, such as Alejandro O'Reilly and, just for you Pinguin, a certain O'Higgins]. Hence, resentful criollos in a waning Spanish American empire would have picked up this usage.
 
This theme is discussed quite competently by Michael Quinion in his little tome Ballyhoo, Buckaroo and Spuds (Washington: Smithsonian, 2004).
 
Strangely enough, in the 20th century, the word is seldom used in terms of political agitation and protest, where yanqui is far more favored. Even in Mexico, it has long been supplanted by bolillo, a true pejorative when used on a person rather than a pastry or bread.
 
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Just an addendum to drgonzaga's "It should be of note that in the last quarter of the 18th century many of the soldiers in Spanish colonial service were of Irish extraction [officers as well, such as Alejandro O'Reilly and, just for you Pinguin, a certain O'Higgins]."

The "Flight of the Lords" from Ireland after a failed rebellion produced three Irish Regiments in the French Army and two in the Spanish. In the early 1700s, the Dillon Regiment was transferred from the French to the Spanish Army as a gift between the sovereigns, who were Bourbon cousins. Small in numbers when compared to the overall size of both Armies, the Irish nevertheless gained a reputation as military engineers. The majority of what is today El Morro castle in Puerto Rico was completed under Colonel (Engineers) Tomas O'Daly. O'Daly's son, Demetrio O'Daly de la Puente, later rose to Field Marshall in the Spanish Army. Irish regiments occasionally fought each other in the eighty years war in the Netherlands, but so did Basque, Navarrese, Catalan, and Dutch Regiments (then termed "tercios" on the Spanish side).

 


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Indeed, Ambrosio O'Higgins was Irish, but he wasn't just a regular soldier more, but nothing less than the gobernor of the Kingdom of Chile. I don't know if another child of Ireland reach such high post elsewhere in the Americas. His son, Bernardo, was the main heroe of the Independence of my country.
 
This is Ambrosio O'Higgins
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

I don't know if another child of Ireland reach such high post elsewhere in the Americas. 

Juan de O'Donojú, de last viceroy of New Spain. He ruled only for a few months, when he arrived most of the country was already under control by Iturbide and Guerrero's Army of the Three Guarantees. He met with Iturbide and signed the treaty of Córdoba, formally making Mexico independent, and became a member of Mexico's provisional government. He died a few weeks later, rumor has it that he was poisoned by Iturbide.



Furthermore sometime it is said that Álvaro Obregón, the military victor of the Mexican Revolution and president of Mexico from 1920-1924 was of Irish descent (O'Brien), but I don't know if that's true.


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Well, there was Eliza Lynch, first "lady" of Paraguay. Proof that some of the Irish should have stayed home.
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Originally posted by SerHumano SerHumano wrote:

Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



I would not say most but many do because sometimes there was a lack of women on the frontier so they went after whatever was available. I do not know why one of my ancestors was Iroquois but according to the records my relatives researched it was a woman or maybe a girl- they got married young in the 1700's.
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Originally posted by eaglecap eaglecap wrote:

Originally posted by SerHumano SerHumano wrote:

Most white americans have native blood, You guys aren't germans LOL



I would not say most but many do because sometimes there was a lack of women on the frontier so they went after whatever was available. I do not know why one of my ancestors was Iroquois but according to the records my relatives researched it was a woman or maybe a girl- they got married young in the 1700's.
 
when i say most i mean most, ask to pinguin , he probably can go more fond on this giving some source.
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Penguin is relying upon a DNA test that merely proves that somewhere in the past 500 years, one had an Amerindian female as an ancestor. Do the math! It does not equate to making one "Native American". (Actually, being born there does that. The "Yanks" equate "native" to "aboriginal", but their law says otherwise.) Considering that the greatest number of immigrants arrived after 1865, I would bet that it is not currently the "majority", but the impact of "Hispanic" immigration is going to greatly increase the numbers with a Amerindian gene, and likely make it a "majority". I believe that Pinguino would agree with me on at least that last part.
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Well, I will speak for Pinguin... LOL
My interest in the Native American DNA in White Americas comes from a question:
 
Where there a genocide of Amerindians in North America, or not?
 
I have analyzed the URBAN MYTH of the 90% decline of the native american population by disease, and it doesn't make sense to me at all. Particularly when you compare chronicles and experiences in different historical moments and regions, all over the americas.
So, there must be another explanation for the insignificant demographic presence of Native Americans in the U.S. and elsewhere. Otherwise, the only other explanation is genocide.
 
Well, as it turn out, ALL OVER the Americas the intermarriage with Amerindians is very high. You find large amounts in places you don't imagine, such as Brazil (30% of the mtDNA of the country), Dominican Republic, Argentina, etc. Even in Canada, the Amerindian population is not small and the admixture is not nill either.
 
So, what happened in the U.S.?
 
Well, as it happened, 6% of Whites Americans and 3% of Blacks there have Amerindian markers. Now, if you don't believe this is serious, I invite you to a thread in another forum, where there are 100 pages of testimonies of Americans and others, that describe theirs Amerindian ancestors. The thread is called "Amerindian admixture in Whites Americans" and become very popular. I started myself with the name "Kawashwar" (Land of fire natives).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Pinguino:  In re: "So, what happened in the U.S.?"

In two words, massive immigration. And, it continues today.


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Originally posted by lirelou lirelou wrote:

Pinguino:  In re: "So, what happened in the U.S.?"
In two words, massive immigration. And, it continues today.
 
The same happened in the rest of the Americas.
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